http://www.christiandoctrinediscussion.com/blogs/ Christian Doctrine Discussion Forums, Blogs, Groups, Chat Rooms. Online Christian Social Network. Discuss or Debate your Christianity, write a Blog, join a Social Group. Bible Study,Theology,Eschatology and Politics. en Wed, 07 Jan 2009 03:45:31 GMT vBulletin 1440 http://www.christiandoctrinediscussion.com/images/styles/desert_green/misc/rss.jpg http://www.christiandoctrinediscussion.com/blogs/ http://www.christiandoctrinediscussion.com/blogs/dave-sargeant/60-creation-in-belief.html Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:13:12 GMT I love to watch and photograph creation, from birds to animals, plants to bugs and butterflies. This morning I set out to see a green heron(rare in... I love to watch and photograph creation, from birds to animals, plants to bugs and butterflies. This morning I set out to see a green heron(rare in our parts) It was too late to get there and back by public transport so came home again. I feel that photographs of nature have the power to heal. Not physical ailmets but emotional and psycological problems, nature in conjunction with the word and spirit of God. The beauty of nature( though fallen) is so powerful. Now I don't know much about blogs so I will wait and see what happens. Dave. ]]> Dave Sargeant http://www.christiandoctrinediscussion.com/blogs/dave-sargeant/60-creation-in-belief.html http://www.christiandoctrinediscussion.com/blogs/eric6red/59-one-way.html Sun, 02 Nov 2008 20:23:17 GMT only way? I know there is only one path to get to a certain best nice place. There are no other streets to take to get there, and you... only way?


I know there is only one path to get to a certain best nice place.


There are no other streets to take to get there, and you can only get
there by walking on the one path.


Once on the one path there are some paths they leave the path, but
they lead to paths that only lead to parks, so you can turn around
and get back on the one path.


The certain nice best place is so beautiful that I decide to leave
many maps behind that shows the only path to the certain best nice
place, with a message that you can only find the certain best nice
place by walking on the only path.


So someone else finds the map and decides to take a car to the one
best nice place. They drive all around the area of the certain best
nice place but never find it, so they decide it was a lie or a myth
and decide to write a book telling everyone there is no certain best
nice place.


Another person finds the map to the certain best nice place, and they
find the one path and start walking down it but take one of the side
paths to the park and decides to stay there believing they found the
certain best nice place, but they never turn around and walk the only
path to the certain best nice place. But since they think it is the
certain best nice place they too write a book about the joy they found
at the "wrong" certain best nice place, and tell everyone how to get
to the "wrong" certain best nice place.


Finally someone else finds the map with the message and walks down
the only path and sometimes goes to the parks but turns around and
get on the one path and eventually gets to the certain best nice
place and loves it so much decides to share it with all his friends
by writing a book that has the map in it with the message in it.


There are now three books claiming to be the truth, but only one of
them contains the actual truth, which one will you follow?


For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that
whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting
life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world;
but that the world through him might be saved. (John 3:16-17 The King
James Version (Authorized))


Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man
cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have
known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen
him. (John 14:6-7 King James Version (Authorized))


Here is what some of the story above means in more detail.


The only one path is Christ and His Gospel message.


The certain best nice place is Heaven.


The maps with their message is the Scriptures.


The first person who uses a car to find the certain best nice place,
is anyone who tries to find out what is their best reason for living
on their own.


The second person is anyone who finds the Gospel message and wants to
go to heaven but tries to get there on their own.


The third person is anyone who finds the Gospel message and accepts
it and asks God for forgiveness of their own sins, and accepts Christ
into their lives; and then tries to follow Christ in every area of
their lives until Christ brings them to Heaven. ]]> eric6red http://www.christiandoctrinediscussion.com/blogs/eric6red/59-one-way.html http://www.christiandoctrinediscussion.com/blogs/newhope/58-when-do-you-know-youve-really.html Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:58:31 GMT I think forgiving someone is hard for a lot of people. Some people are naturally inclined to forgive others but I'm not one of those (I wasn't gifted that way).

I know I'm instructed to forgive by God's word. If you search the word forgive on www.biblegateway.com there are 116 results so I know it's important if it's mentioned that many times.

Matthew 6:14 For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins. (NIV)

So according to God's word I'm instructed to forgive those who sin against me and if I don't then my sins won't be forgiven. That is easier said than done!

Depending on who sinned against you and what the sin was it can seem next to impossible. It took me a really long time to come to a place where I could forgive my father for sinning against me. Well at least I think I have. I don't know though because I keep questioning it.

I'm sure everyone does that right? For some reason I have an idea in my head that some sins just should not have to be forgiven. It's not fair! It's not fair that some people can do horrible things and all they have to do is say oops I'm sorry please forgive me and they are off the hook? :biggrin_25513:

I know I am not without sin and I have been forgiven for much. John 1:8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.

So who am I to judge what sins should be forgiven and not be forgiven? A sin is a sin right? NO difference. I wonder though if it will always be a constant struggle to keep reminding myself that I have forgiven or if I have truly forgiven someone that I shouldn't have to do that? :biggrin_2554:

So my prayer is:

Colossians 3:12 Therefore, as God's chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience. 13Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you. 14And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity. :yes2557: ]]> NewHope http://www.christiandoctrinediscussion.com/blogs/newhope/58-when-do-you-know-youve-really.html http://www.christiandoctrinediscussion.com/blogs/russell/57-the-holy-spirit-speaks-us-words.html Fri, 15 Aug 2008 04:59:06 GMT The Holy Spirit speaks to us Words, which are alive and have fullness of life. Until the Holy Spirit speaks these Living Words to us the scripture is... The Holy Spirit speaks to us Words, which are alive and have fullness of life. Until the Holy Spirit speaks these Living Words to us the scripture is just ink or text on a piece of paper as it was to the Pharisees.


These Living Words of God are full of knowledge, understanding and wisdom but also much more. Since the Word is alive it also carries emotions, feelings, and mental awareness. God's Words can be nothing less than alive and vibrant.


We must attempt to place ourselves within the fullness of these Living Words. We must attempt to live the text by allowing the Living Words to become a part of us mentally and emotionally. We are living and breathing within these Living Words and receiving a first hand knowledge or witness. We are hearing and seeing the story of Christ as it unfolds and not only are we hearing and seeing it, we are a part of it. When God lives in us and we in Him we cannot help but be present with Him and Live the scriptural text. We are Living the story of Jesus Christ through the Power of the Holy Spirit. ]]> Russell http://www.christiandoctrinediscussion.com/blogs/russell/57-the-holy-spirit-speaks-us-words.html http://www.christiandoctrinediscussion.com/blogs/russell/56-did-jesus-preach-the-gospel.html Fri, 15 Aug 2008 04:56:04 GMT Did Jesus preach the Gospel? Questions to be answered. * Did Jesus preach the Gospel? * Is our Gospel the same as his? * Can we apply Jesus’... Did Jesus preach the Gospel? Questions to be answered.

• Did Jesus preach the Gospel?
• Is our Gospel the same as his?
• Can we apply Jesus’ Gospel today?

If you do not understand the Gospel that Jesus preached you cannot understand how his death and resurrection fit into our present life and people we minister too.

Galatians 3:8 … preached the gospel unto Abraham…
Heb 4:2 for unto us were the gospel preached, as well as unto them (Those who left Egypt to wonder in the desert): but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
Heb 4:6 …. They (Those in the wilderness) to whom it was first preached (THE GOSPEL) entered not in because of unbelief:
John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
John 1:9 …. the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
1John 2:2-6 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of thewhole world. And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked. (Walking in obedience)

Luke 4:17-21 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel
To the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all-them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. And he began to say unto them, this day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

Luke 10:25-28
And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
And he (Jesus) said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

Luke 10:29-37
But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?
v30 And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment (made him poor), and wounded him (he needed to be healed), and departed, leaving him half dead (he needed to be set at liberty from death).
And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the
Other side. And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side. But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw
Him, he had compassion on him, and went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him. And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee. Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?
And he said, He that showed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise. (Luke 4:17-21… he hath anointed me to preach the gospel) (Luke 10:25-28…this do, and thou shalt live.)
John 12:44-50 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him(The Father comes first)that sent me. He that seeth me seeth him that sent me. I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me (The perfect reflection of God) should not abide in darkness. And if any man hear my words (The Gospel), and believe (Obey) not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

He that rejecteth me (The perfect reflection of God), and receiveth (Obey) not my words (The Gospel {Love the Lord your God…}), hath one that judgeth him: the word (The Gospel) that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. For I have not spoken of myself;but the Father (The Father comes first), which sent me, he gave me a commandment (Love God and your neighbor), what I should say, and what I should speak.
John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that hears my word, and believes on him that sent me, has everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
(This is the faith that justified Abraham and it is the same faith that justifies us today.)
(Luke 4:17-21… he hath anointed me to preach the gospel)
And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father (The Father comes first) said unto me, so I speak.(Luke 10:29-37…Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart…)
John 17:33 And this is life eternal, that they might know (Love with all the heart) thee the only true God, (The Father comes first) and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. (The perfect reflection of God)
John 6: 45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father (The Father comes first), cometh unto me (Lamb of God)
John 1:29…. Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Are we showing and teaching people with our lives how to Love the Lord their God with all their heart, and with all their soul, and with all their strength, and with all their mind; and their neighbour as themselves?Are we telling the poor how not to be poor (God’s way) and healing the brokenhearted? Are we telling the captives how to become free and binding the wounds of those who are bruised? Are we healing in the power and authority of Jesus? Are we preaching, teaching and living the same Gospel (Good News) that Jesus the Christ (Messiah)taught?
John 8 28 …. as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things

Does our Gospel bring people into the Kingdom of God here on earth or cause people to blaspheme God?
Romans2:24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.
When we Love the Lord our God with all our heart, and with all our soul, and with all our strength, and with all our mind; and our neighbor as ourselves people are delivered/saved/set free from the captivating kingdom of darkness.
Colossians 1:13-14 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the Kingdomof his dear Son: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins.
You will notice the focus is on the delivery from darkness into the Kingdom of God which his dear son rules. This is the Gospel Jesus preached, Love God, your neighbor, and to seek first the kingdom of God and believe on Him who is the The perfect reflection of God. In believing on The perfect reflection of God we are having faith in God.
Now that you understand the first part of the Gospel we can now talk about the second part. This portion of the Gospel was hidden from the powers of darkness so that they could not stop it. This is why Jesus did not mention it in detail. The people who had eternal life by Loving God did not loose their eternal life after Jesus died because now the rules of salvation had changed.

The death and resurrection is the engine, which gives power to the Good News of Gods Kingdom here on earth. Without the sacrifice on the cross there is no open door to eternal life (Salvation). Jesus is the Lamb who was slain before the foundation of the earth so that his blood could be applied to all of mankind from the beginning till the end. This is why all who exhibit faith (Love God) are justified in God’s sight. However those who are taught of God and come to the knowledge of the Son then step into his Kingdom. The Kingdom of God; under the direction of Jesus; has power to over come sickness, cast out demons, raise the dead and greater things than Jesus had done on this earth. This is one of the reasons we must send out missionaries. People will be set free from the kingdom of darkness by believing on the Son of God and this will bring them into the Kingdom of God. The other and most important reason is to call them back to God, to repent, and stop them from walking down the wide road of destruction away from their salvation. We must tell them not to reject the salvation, which was provided and given to them. 1John 2:2-6 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. Like the prodigal son God has never forsaken mankind and will run to meet them when they return home. All mankind starts out in the Fathers house and then leave it for so called greener pastures. All of mankind are offspring of God the Father and He yearns for their return. When men repent (Turn 180 degrees) they are heading back toward where they had started out from, their point of birth and salvation. All men are already forgiven but if they reject the forgiveness there is no more sacrifice for sin. Now there is a dread of destruction that awaits them. (Hebrews 10:26) For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
(Hebrews 10:27) But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
(Hebrews 10:28) He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
(Hebrews 10:29) Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
To those who turn back the Father is waiting to place a robe of right standing upon them and the father’s ring of authority. This is the only way the story can makes any sense. Preachers try to make this story sound like it is only for back sliding Christians. Why would Jesus tell such a story of hope to people who were not eligible? Why would he tell them they had a Father in heaven? Should we tell people today that they have a Father in heaven and tell the same story of hope? Or was this story just for the Jews? This Gospel of the prodigal son applies to all people. Those people out in the middle of the jungle were not left to die in their sin. (Would the prodigal son’s Father place him out in some forsaken place to die? It is blasphemy to say that God the Father would do such things. It is not in His nature.) They have the law of God written in their heart with which to love God with the limited understanding they have of Him. (Romans 1:19) Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
(Romans 1:20) For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: (Romans 2:14) For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
(Romans 2:15) Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;
(Romans 2:16) In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel. We are to preach repentance to them who are rejecting the salvation and Jesus the Christ to them who have been searching for the rule of God. (John 3:20) For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
(John 3:21) But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Now this is Good News!

This is the same Gospel that was preached by Moses, Jesus, and Paul with the revelation of the death and resurrection. God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow and so is His Gospel.

Galatians 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

We must Love the Lord our God with all our heart, and with all our soul, and with all our strength, and with all our mind; and our neighbor our as ourselves in doing this we will inherit eternal life.And this is life eternal, that we might know the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom He has sent. When we believe on the authority and position of Jesus Christ we enter in the Kingdom of God; and in whom we also have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins. All of mankind has been reconciled unto God through the death and resurrection of Jesus, Gods Messiah. We must preach the message of repentance so that men will not reject such a great salvation which was freely given. When men repent they are not turning toward salvation but turning away from their destruction as did the prodigal son.

John 8 28 …. as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things ]]> Russell http://www.christiandoctrinediscussion.com/blogs/russell/56-did-jesus-preach-the-gospel.html http://www.christiandoctrinediscussion.com/blogs/russell/55-can-a-believer-loose-their-salvation.html Fri, 15 Aug 2008 04:42:43 GMT Can a believer loose their salvation? Just read the God inspired text very little commentary is needed. None of this is written to or about... Can a believer loose their salvation?
Just read the God inspired text very little commentary is needed.
None of this is written to or about unbelievers.
All this text is written to and about the believers and those who were believers
He who has an ear to hear let him hear what the Spirit of the Lord has to say.
(John 8:51 KJV) Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.
(John 15:1 KJV) I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
(John 15:2 KJV) Every branch in me that beareth not fruithe taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
(John 15:5 KJV) I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
(John 15:6 KJV) If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

(Romans 11:16 KJV) For if the first fruit be holy, the lump is also holy : and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
(Romans 11:17 KJV) And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
(Romans 11:18 KJV) Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
(Romans 11:19 KJV) Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
(Romans 11:20 KJV) Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not high minded, but fear:
(Romans 11:21 KJV) For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
(Romans 11:22 KJV) Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
(Romans 11:23 KJV) And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
(Romans 11:24 KJV) For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches , be graffed into their own olive tree?
(1 Corinthians 10:1 KJV) Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
(1 Corinthians 10:2 KJV) And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
(1 Corinthians 10:3 KJV) And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
(1 Corinthians 10:4 KJV) And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
(1 Corinthians 10:5 KJV) But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
(1 Corinthians 10:6 KJV) Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
(1 Corinthians 10:7 KJV) Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
(1 Corinthians 10:8 KJV) Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
(1 Corinthians 10:9 KJV) Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
(1 Corinthians 10:10 KJV) Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
(1 Corinthians 10:11 KJV) Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
(1 Corinthians 11:29 KJV) For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
(Galatians 5:1 KJV) Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
(Galatians 5:4 KJV) Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
(Galatians 5:7 KJV) Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?
(Galatians 6:1 KJV) Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.
(Galatians 6:7 KJV) Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
(Galatians 6:8 KJV) For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
(Galatians 6:9 KJV) And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.
(2 Thessalonians 3:6 KJV) Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.
(2 Thessalonians 3:14 KJV) And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him,that he may be ashamed.
(1 Timothy 1:3 KJV) As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine,
(1 Timothy 1:4 KJV) Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do .
(1 Timothy 1:18 KJV) This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest war a good warfare;
(1 Timothy 1:19 KJV) Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:
(1 Timothy 1:20 KJV) Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.
(1 Timothy 4:1 KJV) Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
(1 Timothy 4:2 KJV) Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
(1 Timothy 4:16 KJV) Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.(I thought they were already saved)
(1 Timothy 6:3 KJV) If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
(1 Timothy 6:4 KJV) He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
(1 Timothy 6:5 KJV) Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
(1 Timothy 6:12 KJV) Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses. (Why lay hold of eternal life if you already have it?)
(1 Timothy 6:17 KJV) Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;
(1 Timothy 6:18 KJV) That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate;
(1 Timothy 6:19 KJV) Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.
(1 Timothy 6:20 KJV) O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
(1 Timothy 6:21 KJV) Which some professing have erred concerning the faith.
(2 Timothy 1:13 KJV) Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
(2 Timothy 1:14 KJV) That good thing which was committed unto thee keep by the Holy Ghost which dwelleth in us.
(2 Timothy 1:15 KJV) This thou knowest, that all they which are in Asia be turned away from me; of whom are Phygellus and Hermogenes.
(2 Timothy 2:16 KJV) But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
(2 Timothy 2:17 KJV) And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
(2 Timothy 2:18 KJV) Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
(How can your faith be over thrown?)
(2 Timothy 2:24 KJV) And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men , apt to teach, patient,
(2 Timothy 2:25 KJV) In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
(2 Timothy 2:26 KJV) And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
(2 Timothy 4:3 KJV) For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
(2 Timothy 4:4 KJV) And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
(2 Peter 1:10 KJV) Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
(2 Peter 2:1 KJV) But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
(2 Peter 2:2 KJV) And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
(2 Peter 2:3 KJV) And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
(2 Peter 2:4 KJV) For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; (Angels who fell were once believers this is why they are mentioned in comparison to believers who have fell.)

(These following verses are all talking about the same group of people
2 Peter 2:1-21.)
(2 Peter 2:12 KJV) But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
(2 Peter 2:13 KJV) And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, asthey that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;
(2 Peter 2:14 KJV) Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
(2 Peter 2:15 KJV) Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor,(Balaam was a true prophet of God until he sought riches) who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
(2 Peter 2:16 KJV) But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb *** speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet.
(2 Peter 2:17 KJV) These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.
(2 Peter 2:18 KJV) For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
(2 Peter 2:19 KJV) While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
***(2 Peter 2:20 KJV) For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.***
***(2 Peter 2:21 KJV) For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it , to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. ***
(Hebrews 3:4 KJV) For every house is builded by some man ; but he that built all things is God.
(Hebrews 3:5 KJV) And Moses verily was faithful in all his house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after;
(Hebrews 3:6 KJV) But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.
(Hebrews 3:7 KJV) Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, Today if ye will hear his voice,
(Hebrews 3:8 KJV) Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
(Hebrews 3:9 KJV) When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
(Hebrews 3:10 KJV) Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
(Hebrews 3:11 KJV) So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)
***(Hebrews 3:12 KJV) Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.***
(Hebrews 3:13 KJV) But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
(Hebrews 3:14 KJV) For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
(Hebrews 3:15 KJV) While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
(Hebrews 3:16 KJV) For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.
(Hebrews 3:17 KJV) But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?
(Hebrews 3:18 KJV) And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
(Hebrews 3:19 KJV) So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.
(Hebrews 4:1 KJV) Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
(Hebrews 4:11 KJV) Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
***(Hebrews 6:4 KJV) For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,******
(Hebrews 6:5 KJV) And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,******
(Hebrews 6:6 KJV) If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.***
***(Hebrews 6:8 KJV) But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.***
(Sounds like they were “born again” Freed from the world through the knowledge of Christ, had a personal knowledge of Jesus, practiced the ways of righteousness, tasted of the prophetic words from God, had the power to do miracles, even had the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. You can’t get much more born again than that.)
(Hebrews 10:25 KJV) Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of someis ; but exhorting one another : and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
***(Hebrews 10:26 KJV) For if wesin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,***
(Hebrews 10:27 KJV) But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
(Hebrews 10:28 KJV) He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
(Hebrews 10:29 KJV) Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
(Hebrews 12:25 KJV) See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall notweescape , if weturn away from him that speaketh from heaven:
(James 5:19 KJV) Brethren, if any of youdo err from the truth, and one convert him;
(James 5:20 KJV) Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
(Who is this sinner but someone who has erred from the truth. I wonder who could have known the truth and turned from it?)
If you are taught by a man you will not learn the truth. God can speak for himself.
However a bigger question is whether you have ears to hear Him.
If anyone has an argument about this they can complain to God. ]]> Russell http://www.christiandoctrinediscussion.com/blogs/russell/55-can-a-believer-loose-their-salvation.html http://www.christiandoctrinediscussion.com/blogs/russell/54-what-is-word-god-part-4.html Fri, 15 Aug 2008 04:40:05 GMT (Luke 1:20 [KJV])
And, behold, thou shalt be dumb, and not able to speak, until the day that these things shall be performed, because thou believest not my WORDs, which shall be fulfilled in their season.
(Luke 1:38 [KJV])
And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy WORD. And the angel departed from her.
(Luke 2:29 [KJV])
Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy WORD:
(Luke 3:2 [KJV])
Annas and Caiaphas being the high priests, the WORD of Godcame unto John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness.
(Luke 3:4 [KJV])
As it is written in the book of the WORDs of Esaias the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
(Luke 4:4 [KJV])
And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every WORD of God.
(Luke 4:32 [KJV])
And they were astonished at his doctrine: for his WORD was with power.
(Luke 4:36 [KJV])
And they were all amazed, and spake among themselves, saying, What a WORD[is] this! for with authority and power he commandeth the unclean spirits, and they come out.
(Luke 5:1 [KJV])
And it came to pass, that, as the people pressed upon him to hear the WORD of God, he stood by the lake of Gennesaret,
(Luke 5:5 [KJV])
And Simon answering said unto him, Master, we have toiled all the night, and have taken nothing: nevertheless at thy WORD I will let down the net.
(Luke 7:7 [KJV])
Wherefore neither thought I myself worthy to come unto thee: but say in a WORD, and my servant shall be healed.
(Luke 8:11 [KJV])
Now the parable is this: The seed is the WORD of God.
(Luke 8:12 [KJV])
Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the WORD out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
(Luke 8:13 [KJV])
They on the rock [are they], which, when they hear, receive the WORD with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.
(Luke 8:15 [KJV])
But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the WORD, keep [it], and bring forth fruit with patience.
(Luke 8:21 [KJV])
And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the WORD of God, and do it.
(Luke 9:26 [KJV])
For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my WORDs, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and [in his] Father's, and of the holy angels.
(Luke 10:39 [KJV])
And she had a sister called Mary, which also sat at Jesus' feet, and heard his WORD.
(Luke 11:28 [KJV])
But he said, Yea rather, blessed [are] they that hear the WORD of God, and keep it.
(Luke 20:26 [KJV])
And they could not take hold of his WORDs before the people: and they marvelled at his answer, and held their peace.
(Luke 21:33 [KJV])
Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my WORDs shall not pass away.
(Luke 22:61 [KJV])
And the Lord turned, and looked upon Peter. And Peter remembered the WORD OF THE LORD, how he had said unto him, Before the **** crow, thou shalt deny me thrice.
(Luke 24:8 [KJV])
And they remembered his WORDs,
(Luke 24:19 [KJV])
And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and WORD before God and all the people:
(Luke 24:44 [KJV])
And he said unto them, These [are] the WORDs which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning me.
(John 1:1 [KJV])
In the beginning was the WORD, and the WORD was with God, and the WORD was God.
(John 1:14 [KJV])
And the WORD was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
(John 2:22 [KJV])
When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, AND the WORD which Jesus had said.
(John 3:34 [KJV])
For he whom God hath sent speaketh the WORDs of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure [unto him].
(John 4:50 [KJV])
Jesus saith unto him, Go thy way; thy son liveth. And the man believed the WORD that Jesus had spoken unto him, and he went his way.
(John 5:24 [KJV])
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my WORD, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
(John 5:38 [KJV])
And ye have not his WORD abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
(John 5:47 [KJV])
But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my WORDs?
(John 6:63 [KJV])
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the WORDs that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life.
(John 6:68 [KJV])
Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the WORDs of eternal life.
(John 8:31 [KJV])
Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my WORD, [then] are ye my disciples indeed;
(John 8:37 [KJV])
I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my WORD hath no place in you.
(John 8:43 [KJV])
Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my WORD.
(John 8:47 [KJV])
He that is of God heareth God's WORDs: ye therefore hear [them] not, because ye are not of God.
(John 10:35 [KJV])
If he called them gods, unto whom the WORD of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
(John 12:47 [KJV])
And if any man hear my WORDs, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
(John 12:48 [KJV])
He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my WORDs, hath one that judgeth him: the WORD that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
(John 14:10 [KJV])
Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the WORDs that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
(John 14:23 [KJV])
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my WORDs: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
(John 14:24 [KJV])
He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the WORD which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
(John 15:3 [KJV])
Now ye are clean through the WORD which I have spoken unto you.
(John 15:7 [KJV])
If ye abide in me, and my WORDs abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
(John 15:20 [KJV])
Remember the WORD that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
(John 15:25 [KJV])
But [this cometh to pass], that the WORD might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.
(John 17:1 [KJV])
These WORDs spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
(John 17:6 [KJV])
I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy WORD.
(John 17:8 [KJV])
For I have given unto them the WORDs which thou gavest me; and they have received [them], and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
(John 17:14 [KJV])
I have given them thy WORD; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
(John 17:17 [KJV])
Sanctify them through thy truth: thy WORD is truth.
(John 17:20 [KJV])
Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their WORD;
(Acts 2:14 [KJV])
But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all [ye] that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my WORDs:
(Acts 2:22 [KJV])
Ye men of Israel, hear these WORDs; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
(Acts 2:40 [KJV])
And with many other WORDs did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
(Acts 2:41 [KJV])
Then they that gladly received his WORD were baptized: and the same day there were added [unto them] about three thousand souls.
(Acts 4:4 [KJV])
Howbeit many of them which heard the WORD believed; and the number of the men was about five thousand.
(Acts 4:29 [KJV])
And now, Lord, behold their threatenings: and grant unto thy servants, that with all boldness they may speak thy WORD,
(Acts 4:31 [KJV])
And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the WORD of God with boldness.
(Acts 5:5 [KJV])
And Ananias hearing these WORDs fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.
(Acts 5:20 [KJV])
Go, stand and speak in the temple to the people all the WORDs of this life.
(Acts 6:2 [KJV])
Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples [unto them], and said, It is not reason that we should leave the WORD of God, and serve tables.
(Acts 6:4 [KJV])
But we will give ourselves continually to prayer, and to the ministry of the WORD.
(Acts 6:7 [KJV])
And the WORD of God increased; and the number of the disciples multiplied in Jerusalem greatly; and a great company of the priests were obedient to the faith.
(Acts 8:4 [KJV])
Therefore they that were scattered abroad went every where preaching the WORD.
(Acts 8:14 [KJV])
Now when the apostle