Apparently you missed what I said, Angel.

Your submission is not in activities that are against God's will, your submission is to your husband.

He can't make you do these things, can he?

Make it clear you love him, even if you won't join him in perversion.

You can do that.

You can do all things through Christ...

The question is, do you want to.

Do you want your husband to be saved (and I know you do).

Will you show the patience that will be required to bring him to the Lord.

Sometimes in relationships things get to the point of seeming no-return. But you can turn this around. Forgive him as Christ has forgiven you. Don't look down your nose at him.

Be firm in that you will not act contrary to God's will, but you will love him.

He needs you, and you are probably the only one who can "save" him.

Just think about it, Angel.

God bless.

Darrell,

Clarify 'submission' for me will you? What are you trying to say? What kind of things are you referring to?

If a person is obeying God what else is there?

If you are truly obeying God, you don't insult someone, argue, or anything of that sort.

You are never selfish, rude, or unkind but firm, patient, kind, and overlooking.

All these things I do all the time for Christ's sake anyway. So I don't understand the 'submitting' thing you are speaking of that isn't included in the scripture I first quoted that a woman is only to submit 'in the Lord'.



Angel

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Hi Angel,

You are on the right track.

Just apply the fruit of the Spirit.

Submission is something we can think we are doing (and I include myself in this); in our hearts, we are satisfied with what we do.

Just because I am not yelling at my wife, does not mean I am showing her love. It only means I am not verbally abusing her.

Loving her takes work (not in a bad sense). It takes action on my part, not merely omission of certain things.

It is the same with my submission to God. It takes action to keep His commandments (which are not grievous). It takes action to be obedient.

It is work to love people. Especially those you live with!

You have heard the old saying, familiarity breeds contempt. This is something that will happen around the house.

We can go to worship, and treat those people very kindly, leave the House of God, and get into an arguement with our spouse.

Why? Well, because the "familiarity" is not there. If I spent enough time with them, I would probably behave the same way.

Here is where the work begins.

You have to be on guard about what you say that might come across as disrespectful.

You have to put away the pride that says, "I don't have to put up with this!"

If you do this, you are submitting to the will of God in obedience to how He would have you respond to people.

By showing your husband a respect he doesn't deserve, it will eventually have an impact on him.

I know a lot of modern women in this time do not see this as a necessity, but this is God's established pattern for the family: the man should be the spiritual head of the household. Many have forsaken that role, leaving the woman to fend for herself.

If your husband will not fulfill that role, you are left with his being the head of the household.

He is still to retain that role.

Your spiritual life is yours, but you can expect problems if you don't allow him this role.

You cannot be coerced into disobedience to God's will, except by physical violence, and that is the point in which you leave.

Angel, if you show your husband respect, and be obedient to God as a Christian Woman, I promise you things will change.

If you do what you're supposed to do, you can believe God will take care of the rest. We don't know what that change will be, but I'm confident that it will be to your benefit.

God commands us to raise up a child in the way he should go...

He will do the same for His children.

God bless.

Darrell,

I appreciate the advice but also see that you don't really understand what I am saying.

If a wife is in complete submission to God there is nothing more for her to do for God is the head of the body of Christ.

There is nothing more than complete obedience to Christ/Truth and any woman who puts herself or a man in front of Christ is not obeying God at all but either his flesh or her own.

It isn't complicated.

Blessings,

Angel

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Hi Angel,

I do understand you, but we are looking at it from different perspectives.

You believe you are fulfilling God's will in obedience to Him, but you are overlooking the fact that obedience to Him requires more from us than "keeping His commandments".

Now, don't get mad, and try to understand what I am saying here. I think your relationship with your husband can be restored, and become a blessing to your life. This is my hope for you.

Remember, "If you have ought against your brother, leave your gift at the altar, go and reconcile with your brother, then come and offer your gift." (Running off of memory, so this is just a close-quote).

The relationship to your brother is important to God. He is not saying here, "Put your brother before Me", but He is saying, "Get this settled".

I have told you, relational priority begins with God, and all others follow, including us. I am not telling you to put your relationship with your husband before your relationship with God, because if that is not right, then none of your relationships will be truly right.

The scripture asks, "What is our reward if we only love those who love us?"

If your relationship with your brother is important to God, how much more will your relationship with your husband be.

And let me say this. I am not saying your offerings of service are invalid because there is dissention in your marriage...

I am just saying that your marriage is important to God, and that I believe two things will happen if you fulfill your role as a Christian wife:

1) God will save your husband and your marriage will become a blessing.

2) God will give you a way of escape from from an unrepairable situation: whether by moving your husband to leave the marriage, causing him to behave in such a manner that will allow you to leave, or, tragically, his death.

But I emphasize, you are the only one in the relationship with the ability to change the conditions.

I will say again:

If you fulfill your role as a Christian wife in obedience to God, you can leave the rest in God's hands.

God bless.

Darrell,

Yes, what you said is true which was why I was trying to warn 'O' of the troubles caused by marriage. Paul's wisdom is well worth the taking but is not for everyone to receive as not all are able to.

I would say to 'O'.......ask for the gift but if you get really lonely and can't take it, God is merciful and kind.....then ask for a Godly wife. She is a good thing, but the best thing is the freedom to follow Him in all things without getting tangled up in the world.

Blessings,

Angel

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Peace sister,

God bless.

I'm looking at this thread and it seems to me that there are some major problems with Darrell's logic here. Assumptions and statements are being made without foundation in scripture or tradition and without consideration for others (or the slightest atom of psychological knowledge).

Generalizations:
Darrell said that "God will give you a way of escape from from an unrepairable situation:"

This is incorrect.
The only escape that scripture promises is from temptation and judgment.
God MAY provide an escape. Then again He MAY NOT.
God is not a vending machine.
Seek His help and HE MAY pity you and send relief.

Know this, that He is not required by oath or ordinance to do so.

God is merciful.
That means that He grants favors because He is kind and generous, not because somebody cooked up a formula that He must obey.

StereoTypes:
Insulting stereotypical statements are made for men and women.
For example Darrell also said, "women are usually the romantics, and men (forgive us) are buffoons".

I don't know what kind of people Darrell is used to hanging around with, but most men I know are not clowns.
I find the reference insulting in the extreme as well as completely non-scriptural and anti-Christian in tone.

I have met many women who were completely logical and unfeeling.
Women are not "as a rule" a bunch of mindless romantics.
They are individuals.
Neither are all men devoid of empathy and sentiment for others nor are they fools.

I can just envision the greeting card you (Darrell) will send to your loved one(s) this Valentine's Day.

Happy Valentine's Day
To: my romantic clown
From: your opinionated judgmental expert in human behaviour

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