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Paul said. " I have never eaten anything that is unclean." The Lord said. " Kill and eat." Three times If I remember. Then Paul had people visit him. God jolted his sensitivities on food in a vision to prepare him for gentile folks who would accept the message of salvation. Dave.

Not quite accurate Dave. Paul was a Torah observant Pharisee.

The dream you talking about was given to Peter.

The idea that Paul forsook the Law of Moses is a church fable.
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Rick, you are right it was Peter, but the principle is the same. Dave.
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Rick, you are right it was Peter, but the principle is the same. Dave.

Not really Dave. Peter was torah observant and he never did start eating unclean meat. The dream is about the salvation of the Gentiles not the meat.
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Rick, but Peter did start mixing with the Gentiles. Was not this against the law? Dave.
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Rick, but Peter did start mixing with the Gentiles. Was not this against the law? Dave.
It violated the oral tradition, which was controversial in Israel in many respects. It did not violate the Law of Moses. Some of the Pharisees were against it and Peter`s fear of them is what gets him into trouble in the book of Galatians.
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Ok Rick, reach others, with respect to them and to where God is sending us but disreguard the traditions that would hinder this process? Is this what you are saying? Dave
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Ok Rick, reach others, with respect to them and to where God is sending us but disreguard the traditions that would hinder this process? Is this what you are saying? Dave

What I am saying and this is something I work at trying to get other believers to see is that the Jewish church continued in the Law of Moses in obedience to the command of Christ for them to do so. This includes Paul and other Jews who worked with him in his ministry.

You see controversy among Jewish church leaders in the book of Galatians and in Acts chapter 15. There is debate and divisiveness seen in scripture over the issue of whether Gentiles were to observe the Law of Moses or not. The decision of the Jewish church was not observe with the exceptions given in Acts 15:20.

The common view among Christians is that the apostles forsook the Law and that the gospel has voided the Law. Both of which are views that are contrary to what the New Testament plainly states.


30Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

31Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Romans 3
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Rick are not the law and the prophets summed up in "Love your neighbour as yourself"? Is not love all conquering with obedience? I could be wrong in this and it is late for me but would like to know what you think. Dave. Hey where did the meat go. Sorry.
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Rick are not the law and the prophets summed up in "Love your neighbour as yourself"? Is not love all conquering with obedience? I could be wrong in this and it is late for me but would like to know what you think. Dave. Hey where did the meat go. Sorry.

Yes and yes. But that wasn`t my point
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Are you a Christian? Because I eat fish and meat do you? Lord Jesus the only begotten Son of God our God ate fish and Meat and feed 5000 thousand Fish. What Did God Say to Noah after the flood? No I don’t believe we will become A fish or a bird or anything
Else, after we die. Because it is false teaching to the Holy Bible. And anything that is not written in the Bible is philosophy as Budda etc. Did Budda heal people and bring the dead back to life? Walk on water, ascend to heaven in front of witnesses, Did he appear in spirit after he died? Doe's he Give the Holy Spirit as guidance, is he the life?
and the resurrection? Did he create all things by the hand of God yes even you? No
But Jesus Christ did and that’s why He is the Begotten Son of God almighty and our Father and God As well. For the Father and Son and Holy Spirit is one.


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