once saved always saved?

[Russell]

Originally Posted by larry

All I can say to your doctrine is that I ask that God bless you in your walk in it in Jesus' name - larry

Dear Larry You don't have to reply to this. I want to make a general statement. We as Christians have been hijacked in our faith. We are told what to believe by people who have not the Holy Spirit. We follow systematic theologies which are alien to the thoughts of God. We read scripture by the verse instead of by the context of the thought, and a thought can go on for chapters. There is a church which believes we should not have musical instruments for worship because they picked one verse out which states we should come before the Lord with a melody in our hearts. They ignore all the scripture with musical instruments. A short version of Hop Scotch Systematic at its best. Systematic theologies are just what their name implies. Systems of thought created by men about what they think of God and what He says. In systematic theologies scriptures are linked together in order to create a line of thought. These linked scripture don't have to be in context just so long as they convey the intent of the system and this is where the corruption kicks in. If we let the in context verses define the meaning we have truth. Let's not play "Hop Scotch" theology by taking verses out of context from the opposite ends of scripture.

[rppearso]

Wow there is either way to much cut and paste and plagerism or people with way to much time on there hands. The bible says something about idle hands.... I enjoy a good debate and learning more about the finer points of christianity but 2 page posts I dont think are nessicary to get ones point across.

[JWayne]

way to much cut and paste

[mike robinson]

nice forum thank you all for your nice reports...whosoever believes on the lord jesus christ shall be saved..instead of once saved always saved i like to call it the "birthing"..the moment we believe on the lord jesus christ we have the life of another birthed in us..we are born again..that is what happened at the cross in the death burial and ressurection..old man out and new man in at the birthing..thank you and look for ward to reading more..mike

[mike robinson]

Originally Posted by Russell

Dear Larry You don't have to reply to this. I want to make a general statement. We as Christians have been hijacked in our faith. We are told what to believe by people who have not the Holy Spirit. We follow systematic theologies which are alien to the thoughts of God. We read scripture by the verse instead of by the context of the thought, and a thought can go on for chapters. There is a church which believes we should not have musical instruments for worship because they picked one verse out which states we should come before the Lord with a melody in our hearts. They ignore all the scripture with musical instruments. A short version of Hop Scotch Systematic at its best. Systematic theologies are just what their name implies. Systems of thought created by men about what they think of God and what He says. In systematic theologies scriptures are linked together in order to create a line of thought. These linked scripture don't have to be in context just so long as they convey the intent of the system and this is where the corruption kicks in. If we let the in context verses define the meaning we have truth. Let's not play "Hop Scotch" theology by taking verses out of context from the opposite ends of scripture.

[mike robinson]

as christians it is a hard saying to believe in eternal security..we have faults we stumble we sin and some fall away...revelation knowledge is spirit taught knowledge..to say you recieved revelation is to say you have been taught by the spirit..understand that there are 2 knowledges in this earth at work at all times..that is the knowledge of good and evil and the knowledge of the lord..the knowledge of good and evil is 1 knowledge..the only knowledge that alows us to live in the world and everything that goes on in it is the knowledge of the lord..the other knowledge has a downward motivation it is like gravity and always has a downwrd pull to it..so living as a christian with a downward motivation in this world will never alow you to live..we must has the knowledge of the lord to live and not judge everything based on the knowledge of good and evil...understand the lord created evil..not sin...evil...so you have to get to where you can see thru all things to christ as your life and not live by your emotions and have the joy of living in christ

[rodger]

.understand the lord created evil.

Hello Mike

Did'nt evil create it's self in its own image?



brother rodger

[mike robinson]

hi rodg..isaiah 45:7...takes some real looking at to get some understanding of how the lord use's all things to bring about his purpose in our lives...

[Russell]

Originally Posted by mike robinson

hi rodg..isaiah 45:7...takes some real looking at to get some understanding of how the lord use's all things to bring about his purpose in our lives...

The knowledge of God says God is Light, there is no darkness in Him. He cannot create evil as you understand it. It is impossible for Him to contemplate let alone create evil.
You have God thinking like a man and how a man would act. Unless you are using this knowledge of good and evil to explain how God created evil.

[grit]

Originally Posted by jacob

Is this teaching true?

I do think a lot depends on what is meant by the phrase "once saved, always saved", which carries with it quite a variation of perspective across Christendom, more often than not as a negative pejorative.

If one perceives the phrase as denoting some manner of license to sin, then such a teaching is false - we are called to be holy as God is holy (1 Pet. 1:16); if one perceives the phrase as denoting that God is Almighty in eternally securing those He saves, then such a teaching is faithful to Scriptures - of the sheep given eternal life by Jesus, no one can seize them out of the hand of God the Father and Son (John 10:27-29).