once saved always saved?

[jonnycool]

The devil's son speaks his wrath against Gods people.

If you lot were God's people you would do the deeds of God's people. As it is your father in Rome threatens children with hell if they speak to the authorities about the sexual abuse they suffer.

You speak of Luther as if he had the final word on scripture. What books did he leave out?
Since you want to talk about adding and taking away, adding and taking away is all your lot have done. They have been complete by leaving no doctrine unturned, your faith can no longer be regarded as Christian in any sense of the word.

Anyone can make accusations, but because someone cries bloody murder doesn't mean it actually happened...

Shame on you. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005...hildprotection

the same way that Potiphar's wife accused Joseph of trying to rape her. But ofcourse you possess no wisdom and still attempt to be a theologian. heh. Did you not know that the so called perverts you hate accept Jesus as Lord and Savior? They'll be in heaven, remember once saved always saved, but if you actually do make it there too, you'll be burning with hatred at the sight of them, eternally gnashing your teeth. Amen

What do you know about theology? You can only parrot what your master tell you to parrot. Once saved always saved but it starts by being once saved.

The Roman Catholic Church, despite what many would have us believe, is not a Christian Church. The Bible teaches that salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ. Ephesians 2:8,9 - "For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast". The Roman Catholic Church teaches that those who believe that doctrine are "anathema" - they are cursed.

The Council of Trent, session VI, Canon 10, stated: "If any one says that justifying faith is nothing else than trust in the divine mercy pardoning sins for Christ's sake; or that it is by that trust alone by which we are justified: Let him be accursed."

Rome opposes and curses those who hold to the Biblical doctrine of justifying faith, because her religion is based upon works.
http://www.ianpaisley.org/article.asp?ArtKey=alpha2

john.

[richardP]

The question: When a man is saved is he always saved?

The answer:
I do not make void the grace of God: for if righteousness is through the law, then Christ died for nought.
Gal 2:21
Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now perfected in the flesh?
Gal 3:3
Behold, the LORD’S hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:
Isa 59:1

Does the question still remain? Are we saved by our own efforts or by those of God?
If by our own, then we are in danger every day.
If by God then we may rejoice in HIS work in us (and not our own).

This is the work of grace in us that the name of Christ Jesus may be glorified and not our own.

[jonnycool]

If Christ died for your sins what can you go to hell for?

john.

[jacob]

Originally Posted by richardP

The question: When a man is saved is he always saved?

The answer:
I do not make void the grace of God: for if righteousness is through the law, then Christ died for nought.
Gal 2:21
Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now perfected in the flesh?
Gal 3:3
Behold, the LORD’S hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:
Isa 59:1

Does the question still remain? Are we saved by our own efforts or by those of God?
If by our own, then we are in danger every day.
If by God then we may rejoice in HIS work in us (and not our own).

This is the work of grace in us that the name of Christ Jesus may be glorified and not our own.

We come full circle, but everyone seems to dodge the arguments made in the audio link. So once saved we can live a sinful life with no repentance and have license to do anything we please and have no fear of hell? Please rebuttal the points made in the sermon. Here is the link again.

http://www.audiosancto.org/auweb/200...ways-Saved.mp3

[jonnycool]

“Blessed is the man whom thou choosest, and causeth to approach unto thee, that he may dwell in thy courts: we shall be satisfied with the goodness of thy house, even of thy holy temple” (Psa. 65:4).

...but everyone seems to dodge the arguments made in the audio link.

I didn't listen to the audio so I don't know what argument is being dodged but if Jesus Christ answered for one's sins one cannot answer for them oneself can one? One would think that would be obvious so if anyone doesn't trust that Christ paid their debt in full that one is not trusting in Christ but in their own ability to please God and is in danger of hell.

Romans 4:8 Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord will never count against him."

So once saved we can live a sinful life with no repentance and have license to do anything we please and have no fear of hell?

The Prodigal son was always the son of his father even when he lived amongst the pigs. Since Christ paid the debt we owed God what can He do to us? Since Christ died for me knowing I would be a God hater what will He not do for me now I'm called by His name?

I am a kept man. Praise the Lord for His mercy to me. Jude 1:1 Jude, a servant of Jesus Christ and a brother of James, To those who have been called, who are loved by God the Father and kept by Jesus Christ:

So once saved we can live a sinful life with no repentance and have license to do anything we please and have no fear of hell?

I'll tell you what He can do, He is our Father and He will correct us.

Job 5:17
"Blessed is the man whom God corrects; so do not despise the discipline of the Almighty.
Psalm 94:12
Blessed is the man you discipline, O LORD, the man you teach from your law;

I have no fear of hell. I am holy and blameless because I have the righteousness of Christ imputed to me. I have that because He chose to go to hell for me. That was love that was.

Purgatory was invented by greedy men so they could screw ever more cash out of their victims and their victims cough up because they trust the liars more than they trust in the sacrifice Christ made. Therefore, if a man believes he will suffer in the pit for his sins then he cannot claim that Christ is his Saviour. If a man believes he must belong to a certain group for salvation then he doesn't believe in the atonement and is hell-bound.

If Christ died for your sins what can you go to hell for? Answer the question please.

john.

[crackdpot]

I tend to think the question would more appropriately be asked, "Once professed faith, always saved?", or "Once born again of Christ's seed, old things passed away, all things made new, always saved?".

1 Cor 1:10

Once I've truly been "born of God's seed" (1 John 3:9) I cannot, according to scripture....willfully, deliberately, maliciously sin. My very nature has been regenerated.....according to scripture. Have I truly come to faith in Christ....do I honor Him in the dark recesses of my heart....where no one else sees? Does my life, as a profession of faith, state that Jesus is Lord?
Just as Paul, in Romans Ch.7 struggled, so also does every other believer....question, "am I struggling?".

1 John 2:19

The question is, "Does the person professing faith in Christ truly "Know" Him?".

Read 1 John chapter 2.
It's the only place that I've found that says, "this is the way that we know that we know Him....". Jesus said that you can know a tree by its' fruit.

Seems to me that working out my salvation with fear and trembling involves not having a tangible "election ticket", therefore, the only way I know that I'm in Christ is by the undeniable fact of my enduring obedience. My enduring obedience will not keep me in Christ (works of the law...and all that), but the fact that I'm in Christ will always be evidenced by my enduring obedience......according to scripture.

God Bless you.
He really loves you.

1 Corinthians 1:10



10Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

[Cross Reference]

This was written to born again Christians

"My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,
Galatians 4:19 (KJV)

[crackdpot]

If I might make a comment,.....

I think we need to remember, as we discuss doctrinal issues, when God spoke, it can only rightly be divided one way.

Even doctrines which some have deemed secondarily important are still important enough to have been divinely inspired and authored by God.

Many (more like all) of these doctrines, current subject included, will have drastic, life and culture altering implications, whether interpreted correctly(for good) or not(for bad). Let us tread lightly and speak with restraint, controlled by God's Spirit.

Let's not bring God's word down into the intellectual arena, as something to be decided by man's wisdom. Let's be sure to let God always have the authority, in our personal lives and pulpits, to throw complete doctrines out the window and burn them as He sees fit. I don't personally know Greek or Hebrew.....But I know the One who created them. BTW, which language does God speak?....to whom...?

Do we, as Christians, truly believe that God could, if sought, settle each and every last doctrinal argument? Do we believe that God, if truly sought, would bring unity to our divided church?

...."once saved, always saved....?"

[jonnycool]

This was written to born again Christians
"My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,
Galatians 4:19 (KJV)

Not so Cross, if Christ is formned in one then that one is born again. Until then all they are are members of the Church and unregenerate. I hope that takes more air out.
Heb 3:7 So, as the Holy Spirit says:
"Today, if you hear his voice,
8 do not harden your hearts
as you did in the rebellion,
during the time of testing in the desert,
9 where your fathers tested and tried me
and for forty years saw what I did.
10 That is why I was angry with that generation,
and I said, 'Their hearts are always going astray,
and they have not known my ways.'
11 So I declared on oath in my anger,
'They shall never enter my rest.' "[a]
12 See to it, brothers, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God. 13 But encourage one another daily, as long as it is called Today, so that none of you may be hardened by sin's deceitfulness. 14 We have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly till the end the confidence we had at first. 15 As has just been said:
"Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts
as you did in the rebellion."[b]

And the end, crackdpot, is not death but: 1 John 4:18 There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love. 19 We love because he first loved us...

When you believe Christ paid your full penalty for sin then you will know no fear. You will not trust your deeds to prove who you are and you will be at rest.

john.

[jonnycool]

Do we, as Christians, truly believe that God could, if sought, settle each and every last doctrinal argument? Do we believe that God, if truly sought, would bring unity to our divided church?

No. No.

...."once saved, always saved....?"

If Jesus died for your sins how can you go to hell?

john.