Do I need to confess against my sin.

[rodger]

Is it a requirement of our Father to keep His Law and if we sin against His Law are we required to confess that sin with repentance? Yes or No will be efficient.

[JWayne]

We should seek repentance for every sin we commit.

[Sojourning]

The question cannot be answered today with a yes or no.

[JWayne]

What's wrong with today?

[Sojourning]

Originally Posted by JWayne

What's wrong with today?

Christ, as a forerunner has entered within the veil. He is there on our behalf, he appears in the presence of God for us. It is by his blood, the blood he shed, the life he gave, offering himself without spot to God, that we draw nigh unto God. Jesus is our offering/sacrifice, he is our high priest, we are made nigh to God by the blood of Jesus. We can only enter in him, but it goes beyond that.

We enter through those who God has ordained. I believe that if we understand the teaching of Paul correctly, then God has an order, and for us to come into God's presence, then we must be in that order. God sent Jesus to the Jews, Jesus sent the apostles, first to the Jews, then to the Gentiles. Later Jesus sent Paul to the Gentiles, that was Paul's office, apostle to the Gentiles.

So the Gentile Churches/assemblies needed to be in obedience to the gospel which was brought to them by Paul (I believe we still do). There were the elders of the assemblies, who needed to be under Paul, who was under Christ. Then the individual members of the body of believers needed to come under the elders. We see this taught in 2 Corinthians. Paul says he wrote to them to know the proof of them, whether they were obedient in all things.

So what we find here is a line of authority. There is an order for forgiveness. First the individual must repent, we find this also in James, one needing to call the elders of the congreagation, The elders can forgive the individual, but only if they are living in obedience.

So what they did was proved themselves to Paul, they at that time were obedient, so now Paul says, whom you forgive, I forgive also.

And for Paul to forgive was important, because he says, for your sakes I forgive it in the presence of Christ. So we see the order, Paul was in obedience to Christ, and was in the presence of Christ, Christ had been obedient to God and was now in the presence of God. So an individual would confess to the elders, and because they were in obedience to the gospel, then what they forgave, Paul also forgave, and what Paul forgave was forgiven in the presence of Christ who was in the presence of God.

So the problem today is that the whole Church is out of order, I believe that order needs restored. So I believe that until then, the best we as individuals can do is line ourselves up under the teachings of the aposltes and prophets, first Paul, the apostle to the Gentiles, then as we grow into understanding we can/will go beyond his teaching.

Now I doubt if you will agree with any of this, But it is truth. Only those who God has authorized to forgive sin can forgive sin. And God has ordained that forgiveness should come through the Church (the called out). But at present there is no truly called out. Its now as it was before the coming of Jesus, salvation was of the Jews, but the Jews themselves first needed delivered.

[rodger]

Originally Posted by Sojourning

Christ, as a forerunner has entered within the veil. He is there on our behalf, he appears in the presence of God for us. It is by his blood, the blood he shed, the life he gave, offering himself without spot to God, that we draw nigh unto God. Jesus is our offering/sacrifice, he is our high priest, we are made nigh to God by the blood of Jesus. We can only enter in him, but it goes beyond that.

We enter through those who God has ordained. I believe that if we understand the teaching of Paul correctly, then God has an order, and for us to come into God's presence, then we must be in that order. God sent Jesus to the Jews, Jesus sent the apostles, first to the Jews, then to the Gentiles. Later Jesus sent Paul to the Gentiles, that was Paul's office, apostle to the Gentiles.

So the Gentile Churches/assemblies needed to be in obedience to the gospel which was brought to them by Paul (I believe we still do). There were the elders of the assemblies, who needed to be under Paul, who was under Christ. Then the individual members of the body of believers needed to come under the elders. We see this taught in 2 Corinthians. Paul says he wrote to them to know the proof of them, whether they were obedient in all things.

So what we find here is a line of authority. There is an order for forgiveness. First the individual must repent, we find this also in James, one needing to call the elders of the congreagation, The elders can forgive the individual, but only if they are living in obedience.

So what they did was proved themselves to Paul, they at that time were obedient, so now Paul says, whom you forgive, I forgive also.

And for Paul to forgive was important, because he says, for your sakes I forgive it in the presence of Christ. So we see the order, Paul was in obedience to Christ, and was in the presence of Christ, Christ had been obedient to God and was now in the presence of God. So an individual would confess to the elders, and because they were in obedience to the gospel, then what they forgave, Paul also forgave, and what Paul forgave was forgiven in the presence of Christ who was in the presence of God.

So the problem today is that the whole Church is out of order, I believe that order needs restored. So I believe that until then, the best we as individuals can do is line ourselves up under the teachings of the aposltes and prophets, first Paul, the apostle to the Gentiles, then as we grow into understanding we can/will go beyond his teaching.

Now I doubt if you will agree with any of this, But it is truth. Only those who God has authorized to forgive sin can forgive sin. And God has ordained that forgiveness should come through the Church (the called out). But at present there is no truly called out. Its now as it was before the coming of Jesus, salvation was of the Jews, but the Jews themselves first needed delivered.

This is way off topic. Maybe you should open a new tread saying:
You can't be forgiven through faith because God won't hear you. If that's what you believe.

The question is:

Is it a requirement of our Father to keep His Law and if we sin against His Law are we required to confess that sin with repentance?

The answer is: We should seek repentance for every sin we commit.

[Sojourning]

Originally Posted by rodger

This is way off topic. Maybe you should open a new tread saying:
You can't be forgiven through faith because God won't hear you. If that's what you believe.

The question is:

Is it a requirement of our Father to keep His Law and if we sin against His Law are we required to confess that sin with repentance?

The answer is: We should seek repentance for every sin we commit.

What? you do not believe what the Bible teaches about God's order?

But as you wish, I will explain in another thread.