Was Jesus Resurrected Debate Offer

[Rick]

Originally Posted by truthseeker82

Whenever the word 'resurrection' is used, it is replaced by the word 'after his rising'.

For example, Matthew 27:53 in Young's Literal Translation is rendered as follows "and having come forth out of the tombs after his rising, they went into the holy city, and appeared to many."

Yes, Jesus rose ,but was not resurrected because Jesus was not immortal after he rose as Jesus saying after he came out from the tomb in Luke 24:39 "For a spirit has no flesh and bones as you see me have" proves Jesus was not a spirit, so his body of was not a body of spirit, so it was not a spiritual body, so he was not resurrected because the resurrected will have a spiritual body according to 1 Corinthians 15:44 which says "It is sown a physical body and raised a spiritual body."

( Your reasoning is unsound.)

[Rick]

Originally Posted by truthseeker82

Rodger saying "Lord Jesus came resurrected in the flesh, do you know why? Because he wanted to" is wrong because Jesus said in Matthew 26:41 "the flesh is weak" and 1 Corinthians 15:50 says "flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God" and so was Jesus after he rose as Jesus said "for a spirit has no flesh and bones as you me have" in Luke 24:39 because "the life of all flesh is the blood" in Leviticus 17:14.

4JC, a person who is raised from the dead is not resurrected unless he becomes immortal as 1 Corinthians 15:52 says "the dead will be raised imperishable." For example, Lazarus rising from the dead according to John 12:9 does not still make Jesus resurrected.

So Jesus rose but was not resurrected because he did not become immortal when he rose because Jesus saying after he came out from the tomb in Luke 24:39 "For a spirit has no flesh and bones as you see me have" proves Jesus was not a spirit, so his body of was not a body of spirit, so it was not a spiritual body, so he was not resurrected because the resurrected will have a spiritual body according to 1 Corinthians 15:44 which says "It is sown a physical body and raised a spiritual body."

(Jesus has a celestial, glorified body. Your reasoning is unsound.)

[Rick]

Originally Posted by truthseeker82

The quality of the resurrected person is becoming immortal according to 1 Crinthains 15:53 "the dead will be raised imperishable."

However, Jesus was not immortal because Jesus did not appear to his killers the Jews because he was not resurrected because had Jesus been resurrected, Jesus should have appreared because Jesus said in Mark 2:17 "I did not come for the righteous but for the sinners" and in Matthew 15:24 "I was not sent but to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

( Your reasoning is unsound and unBiblical.)

[truthseeker82]

The replies so far mentioned my argument is unsound and unbiblical, but did not mention the reason for not being sound and biblical.

My argument is sound and biblical because Jesus saying after he came out from the tomb in Luke 24:39 "For a spirit has no flesh and bones as you see me have" proves Jesus was not a spirit, so his body of was not a body of spirit, so it was not a spiritual body, so he was not resurrected because the resurrected will have a spiritual body according to 1 Corinthians 15:44 which says "It is sown a physical body and raised a spiritual body."

[Rick]

Originally Posted by truthseeker82

The replies so far mentioned my argument is unsound and unbiblical, but did not mention the reason for not being sound and biblical.

My argument is sound and biblical because Jesus saying after he came out from the tomb in Luke 24:39 "For a spirit has no flesh and bones as you see me have" proves Jesus was not a spirit, so his body of was not a body of spirit, so it was not a spiritual body, so he was not resurrected because the resurrected will have a spiritual body according to 1 Corinthians 15:44 which says "It is sown a physical body and raised a spiritual body."

(Your reasoning is unsound because a spirit does not have a celestial body. A spiritual, celestial has physical qualities as demonstrated by both the angels and the resurrected Lord Jesus. Regardless I have shown scripture that states that Christ is resurrected so there is nothing to debate about it.Your view conflicts with various scripturers hence from a Biblical standpoint your idea about this issue is another gospel.)

[truthseeker82]

You saying "Your reasoning is unsound because a spirit does not have a celestial body. A spiritual, celestial has physical qualities as demonstrated by both the angels and the resurrected Lord Jesus" is refuted by 1 Corinthains 15:44 which says "It is planted a natural body; it comes again as a body of the spirit. If there is a natural body, there is equally a body of the spirit."

You saying "Regardless I have shown scripture that states that Christ is resurrected so there is nothing to debate about it" is wrong because Jesus was alive not after his resurrection but after his suffering according to Acts 1:3 "After his suffering, he presented himself to these men and showed many convincing proofs that he was alive."

According to the New Testament Lexicon, the word 'suffer' whcih is "Pascho" in Greek means to go through a painful experience.

[rodger]

The lord spent three days in the earth, in spirit or flesh? I don't think in the flesh do you? He returned back to his body after 3 days didn't he? For what reason? To bare witness to those that were given to him by his Father, for forty days. What happen after the forty days? The lord ascended to heaven; do you think the lord didn’t transfigure into his spirit form once he was clear of humans for their safety? The fact is the lord rose from death.
As we will be raised from death after we die if we believe in him, in fact we will not see death at all for those who believe in him.

[rodger]

Matt 27;52;53

And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

John 11;25;26
Jesus said to her, "I am the one who brings people back to life, and I am life itself. Those who believe in me will live even if they die. And everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die.

Thankyou God in Jesus name.




God bless

[truthseeker82]

Rodger,

Jesus saying after he came out the tomb "for a spirit has no flesh and bones as you see me have" proves Jesus was not spirit, so his body was not a body of spirit , so his body was not a spiritual body , so Jesus was not resurrected because the resurrected will have a body of spirit according to 1 Corinthians 15:44 "it is planted a physical body; it comes again as a body of the spirit."

[Rick]

Originally Posted by truthseeker82

Rodger,

Jesus saying after he came out the tomb "for a spirit has no flesh and bones as you see me have" proves Jesus was not spirit, so his body was not a body of spirit , so his body was not a spiritual body , so Jesus was not resurrected because the resurrected will have a body of spirit according to 1 Corinthians 15:44 "it is planted a physical body; it comes again as a body of the spirit."

(Your view is unsound, unBiblical and complete heresy. I have already shown you scripture that disproves your opinion. Playing with the words does not change the scriptures and it makes for very weak argument. You can say resurrection or you can say rising. It doesn`t matter.The Bible proclaims that Jesus Christ is the firstborn from among the dead.)