Blog On Gift Of Tongues

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[quote=joeycastaneda56;737]

Originally Posted by Rick

.....................<<>> I am working on a post on the (Importance of the Three Baptisms) and what they mean. Here is something to ponder on until I come back to post my work. (God) says (In His Word) I am not a man that (I) should lie.

(The King on the Cross).
One of the criminals said to Jesus, Lord, remember me when you come into your Kingdom. And Jesus said to him, " Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise". He didn't tell him, sorry I can't take you because you have not been Baptized in (Water, the Word of God and the Holy Spirit. JC.

Joey,

Since you're working on the importance and meaning of the three baptisms
Check out Romans 8:9. You, however are not controlled by the sinful nature but by the Spirit(holy), if the spirit of God (holy Father) lives in you. And if anyone does not have the spirit of Christ, he does not belong to him.
If the personality of the three are the same, and are always in perfect unity, then we must by defintion be in perfect unity with the three, when they dwell in us, the spirit, the spirit of God, and the Spirit of Christ are all interchangable by definition, they are never alone, never separated.
Therefore to suggest there are separate(spiritual) baptisms of types, is wrong.
Thats' why, he who has the Son, has the Father also through the declaration of the Holy Spirit. (three baptisms)
The thief on the cross recieved the three baptisms, resulting in saving faith, which is what the ancients were commended because of their faith,
The experience of the Spirit, belief in and of God, and hope in his redemptive work saviour messiah.
The Holy Spirit was essential to the thief because of Ephesians 1:13
...Having believed you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,v14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritence... those who are God's possession.
No holiness no heaven, holy virtues should now be our most ernest of desires.(to love)
If we don't have all of these baptisms we are not Christians And any doctrine that denies or separates the necessity of all three is errant.

Rod.

[Rick]

Originally Posted by moth

Interesting reading in regards to tongues. I was part of a church that demanded that every member speak in tongues. I believed that it was a necessity for salvation and have since repented of that damaging belief.

Free vocalising is an "experience" that matches similar experiences of people involved in Spiritualism, other forms of the occult, certain pagan religions, and so forth. In other words, there's nothing "uniquely" Christian to it at all. Paul intentionally mentioned to the wayward "tongues-crazed" Corinthians that he spoke in "tongues" because they didn't think that he could! Look at the context.

The Spirit's role is to represent Jesus Christ to the world. Jesus, and he alone; however, remains THE Advocate for us before the Father.

Well, when you think about it, there is no "but". Jesus' death on the cross, and it alone, is what achieves atonement. The cross is the pivot upon which our redemption hinges. Or, to put this another way, the fulcrum of "salvation" wasn't the feast of Pentecost, but the Passover that took place at Calvary.

Jesus' final words were, "...it is finished!"

I am interested to hear your thoughts on this.

The Scripture is John 19:30. The single word that Christ uttered in Greek was tetelestai, a perfect aspect, indicative mood, and passive voice, verb. The perfect aspect indicates that the results of the finished work of the cross extend infinitely into the future from the point of the utterance forwards. The indicative mood indicates that the results of the work of the cross are a present fact; they are not simply a hope or a future wish. In other words, atonement has been made (and then pre-Pentecost). The passive voice indicates that the work of the cross achieved results for others. In summary then, at the point at which Jesus Christ breathed his last, human beings had the opportunity to be restored to God. This occurred solely as a consequence the atoning death of Jesus Christ on the cross, and was to be grasped through placing one's faith in him, for he he is. It is for this reason that salvation in the New Covenant age began with the repentant rebel hanging on a cross alongside the Saviour.

I just wanted to put my piece in here after being moved by the genuine people here.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us. I enjoyed reading your comments.

[Rick]

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Originally Posted by joeycastaneda56

Joey,

Since you're working on the importance and meaning of the three baptisms
Check out Romans 8:9. You, however are not controlled by the sinful nature but by the Spirit(holy), if the spirit of God (holy Father) lives in you. And if anyone does not have the spirit of Christ, he does not belong to him.
If the personality of the three are the same, and are always in perfect unity, then we must by defintion be in perfect unity with the three, when they dwell in us, the spirit, the spirit of God, and the Spirit of Christ are all interchangable by definition, they are never alone, never separated.
Therefore to suggest there are separate(spiritual) baptisms of types, is wrong.
Thats' why, he who has the Son, has the Father also through the declaration of the Holy Spirit. (three baptisms)
The thief on the cross recieved the three baptisms, resulting in saving faith, which is what the ancients were commended because of their faith,
The experience of the Spirit, belief in and of God, and hope in his redemptive work saviour messiah.
The Holy Spirit was essential to the thief because of Ephesians 1:13
...Having believed you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,v14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritence... those who are God's possession.
No holiness no heaven, holy virtues should now be our most ernest of desires.(to love)
If we don't have all of these baptisms we are not Christians And any doctrine that denies or separates the necessity of all three is errant.

Rod.

Hello Rod,

You can`t acknowledge three interchangable spirits or three baptisms. That contradicts the Bible. What is your take on this passage?




4There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

[Meto]

Originally Posted by Rick

Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us. I enjoyed reading your comments.

You'll get no arguement from me on all that, apart from Pauls' concerns absolutely, but, the context certainly also supports the personel value of tongues.
I have the gift, amazingly it just happened when praising God that He was the sole giver of the gift, that it couldn't be artificially brought on, as was being attempted at my local church. I wasn't happy with their direction it just seemed so carnal, not that I'm super spiritual, it just didn't ring true, if its not for all.
Classes to encourage the gift, I ask you?
Anyway, I wish I prayed more often, apart from always talking to God! you know the deeper more sacrificial type prayer.
The stuff old ladies are good at.
You'll have to excuse my typing, this is so new to me but its giving me inspiration being on this forum, got to go now, be back soon.
Definately one baptism, through the three in agreement by the unity of the spirit. I'm trying to respond positively to Joeys' stuff that I read.
I reckon he'd help himself and others if he just cut the volume, be more effective for others.

Rod.