What makes you a Christian ?

[JWayne]

The return of the Holy Spirit which was lost by the first Adam and return by the second.

Since when were there two Adams? Care to back this up with scripture!

[rodger]

Originally Posted by JWayne

Since when were there two Adams? Care to back this up with scripture!

1 Corinthians 15:45 "And so it is written, 'The first man Adam became a living being.' The last Adam became a life-giving spirit." (NKJV)



Rodger

[JWayne]

Rodger is not that verse pretaining to flesh and spirit?

46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual.

I don't think it is referring to two Adams as is being perceived?

[Dave Sargeant]

JWayne. I believe that the verse is refering to Jesus as the last adam. The first failed, the last gained the victory over sin, death and satan. Dave.

[JWayne]

Let's take a look at the commentary....

1. How are the dead raised up? that is, by what means? How can they be raised? 2. As to the bodies which shall rise. Will it be with the like shape, and form, and stature, and members, and qualities? The former objection is that of those who opposed the doctrine, the latter of curious doubters. To the first the answer is, This was to be brought about by Divine power; that power which all may see does somewhat like it, year after year, in the death and revival of the corn. It is
foolish to question the Almighty power of God to raise the dead, when we see it every day quickening and reviving things that are dead. To the second inquiry; The grain undergoes a great change; and so will the dead, when they rise and live again. The seed dies, though a part of it springs into new life, though how it is we cannot fully understand. The works of creation and providence daily teach us to be humble, as well as to admire the Creator's wisdom and goodness. There is a great variety
among other bodies, as there is among plants. There is a variety of glory among heavenly bodies. The bodies of the dead, when they rise, will be fitted for the heavenly bodies. The bodies of the dead, when they rise, will be fitted for the heavenly state; and there will be a variety of glories among them. Burying the dead, is like committing seed to the earth, that it may spring out of it again. Nothing is more loathsome than a dead body. But believers shall at the resurrection have bodies,
made fit to be for ever united with spirits made perfect. To God all things are possible. He is the Author and Source of spiritual life and holiness, unto all his people, by the supply of his Holy Spirit to the soul; and he will also quicken and change the body by his Spirit. The dead in Christ shall not only rise, but shall rise thus gloriously changed. The bodies of the saints, when they rise again, will be changed. They will be then glorious and spiritual bodies, fitted to the heavenly world and state, where they are ever afterwards to dwell. The human body in its present form, and with its wants and weaknesses, cannot enter or enjoy the kingdom of God. Then let us not sow to the flesh, of which we can only reap corruption. And the body follows the state of the soul. He, therefore, who neglects the life of the soul, casts away his present good; he who refuses to live to God, squanders all he has. (1Co 15:51-58)

[rodger]

Originally Posted by JWayne

Let's take a look at the commentary....

1. How are the dead raised up? that is, by what means? How can they be raised? 2. As to the bodies which shall rise. Will it be with the like shape, and form, and stature, and members, and qualities? The former objection is that of those who opposed the doctrine, the latter of curious doubters. To the first the answer is, This was to be brought about by Divine power; that power which all may see does somewhat like it, year after year, in the death and revival of the corn. It is
foolish to question the Almighty power of God to raise the dead, when we see it every day quickening and reviving things that are dead. To the second inquiry; The grain undergoes a great change; and so will the dead, when they rise and live again. The seed dies, though a part of it springs into new life, though how it is we cannot fully understand. The works of creation and providence daily teach us to be humble, as well as to admire the Creator's wisdom and goodness. There is a great variety
among other bodies, as there is among plants. There is a variety of glory among heavenly bodies. The bodies of the dead, when they rise, will be fitted for the heavenly bodies. The bodies of the dead, when they rise, will be fitted for the heavenly state; and there will be a variety of glories among them. Burying the dead, is like committing seed to the earth, that it may spring out of it again. Nothing is more loathsome than a dead body. But believers shall at the resurrection have bodies,
made fit to be for ever united with spirits made perfect. To God all things are possible. He is the Author and Source of spiritual life and holiness, unto all his people, by the supply of his Holy Spirit to the soul; and he will also quicken and change the body by his Spirit. The dead in Christ shall not only rise, but shall rise thus gloriously changed. The bodies of the saints, when they rise again, will be changed. They will be then glorious and spiritual bodies, fitted to the heavenly world and state, where they are ever afterwards to dwell. The human body in its present form, and with its wants and weaknesses, cannot enter or enjoy the kingdom of God. Then let us not sow to the flesh, of which we can only reap corruption. And the body follows the state of the soul. He, therefore, who neglects the life of the soul, casts away his present good; he who refuses to live to God, squanders all he has. (1Co 15:51-58)

What has this got to do with the two Adams?

1 Corinthians 15:45 "And so it is written, 'The first man Adam became a living being.' The last Adam became a life-giving spirit." (NKJV)

[JWayne]

Nothing, I just wanted to see if you were paying attention>guess what...you were. Evidently I posted the wrong commentary, so here is the correct on...
Geneva Study Bible

{25} And so it is written, The {x} first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a {y} quickening spirit.
(25) That is called a natural body which is made alive and maintained by a living soul only in the manner that Adam was, of whom we are all born naturally. And that is said to be a spiritual body, which together with the soul is made alive with a far more excellent power, that is, with the Spirit of God, who descends from Christ the second Adam to us.
(x) Adam is called the first man, because he is the root as it were from which we spring. And Christ is the latter man, because he is the beginning of all those that are spiritual, and in him we are all included. (y) Christ is called a Spirit, by reason of that most excellent nature, that is to say, God who dwells in him bodily, as Adam is called a living soul, by reason of the soul which is the best part in him.


People's New Testament
15:45 The first man Adam was made a living soul. See Ge 2:7. From him came our natural life.
The last Adam, Christ, of whom Adam was a type. A living spirit. By giving life to the dead, and imparting spiritual existence.

[Sojourning]

Originally Posted by JWayne

Nothing, I just wanted to see if you were paying attention>guess what...you were. Evidently I posted the wrong commentary, so here is the correct on...
Geneva Study Bible

{25} And so it is written, The {x} first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a {y} quickening spirit.
(25) That is called a natural body which is made alive and maintained by a living soul only in the manner that Adam was, of whom we are all born naturally. And that is said to be a spiritual body, which together with the soul is made alive with a far more excellent power, that is, with the Spirit of God, who descends from Christ the second Adam to us.
(x) Adam is called the first man, because he is the root as it were from which we spring. And Christ is the latter man, because he is the beginning of all those that are spiritual, and in him we are all included. (y) Christ is called a Spirit, by reason of that most excellent nature, that is to say, God who dwells in him bodily, as Adam is called a living soul, by reason of the soul which is the best part in him.


People's New Testament
15:45 The first man Adam was made a living soul. See Ge 2:7. From him came our natural life.
The last Adam, Christ, of whom Adam was a type. A living spirit. By giving life to the dead, and imparting spiritual existence.

What it means is that Jesus, the last Adam was made, or became, a life giving spirit.

Jhn 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto
thee, Except a man be born from above, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can
he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5 Jesus
answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water
and the spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born out
of the spirit is spirit. 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must
be born from above.

8 The spirit breaths where it wills, and thou hearest the sound
thereof, but canst not tell from where it cometh, and whither it goeth:
so is every one that is born out of the Spirit.

So one who is born of spirit is as the spirit. What is born of flesh is
flesh, what is born of the spirit is spirit. Jesus was born, first of
flesh and was flesh, he was then born of water, and spirit, and what is
born of spirit is spirit. So in ther resurrection Jesus became spirit, a
quickening spirit.

1Cr 15:42 So also [is] the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in
corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 It is sown in dishonour;
it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is
a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul;
the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit. 46 Howbeit that [was]
not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward
that which is spiritual. 47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the
second man, or the man who comes after, is of heaven. 48 As [is] the
earthy, such [are] they also that are earthy: and as [is] the heavenly,
such [are] they also that are heavenly.

49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear
the image of the heavenly.

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the
kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. Jhn 3:3
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee,
Except a man be born from above, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall
all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the
last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised
incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must
put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality. 2Cr 5:1
For we know that if our earthly house of [this] tabernacle were
dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands,
eternal in the heavens (1 Cor 15:47 The first man is of the earth,
earthy: the second man is of heaven.). 2 For in this we groan, earnestly
desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: 3 If
so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked. 4 For we that
are in [this] tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would
be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of
life.

1Cr 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and
this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass
the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

In the resurrection Jesus received the spirit as his own, it was his
inheritance. He was sown in dishonour; he was raised in glory: he was
sown in weakness; he was raised in power: he was sown a natural body;
and raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a
spiritual body, Jesus is now a spiritual body. 2Cr 13:4 For though he
was crucified through weakness, yet he liveth by the power of God.

Call it what you will, but Jesus said, Jhn 4:24 God is spirit, and
those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.

Paul said, Rom 1:9 For God is my witness, whom I serve in my spirit in
the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you always
in my prayers;

So he is saying he serves God in his spirit, meaning his "own" spirit.
Jesus said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit (Luk 23:46 ).
Here again the Greek word mou is used, he is speaking of his own spirit,
Hebrews 12:22 says, spirits (plural) of just men (plural).

Jesus commended/commited his spirit into the hands of God, Right? So what does that mean?

We have a spirit, and God's spirit bears witness with our spirit.
Rom 8:7 Because the mind of the flesh is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God; for neither indeed can it be: 8 and they that are in flesh cannot please God. 9 But *ye* are not in flesh but in spirit, if indeed God's spirit dwell in you; but if any one has not [the] spirit of Christ *he* is not of him: 10 but if Christ be in you, the body is dead on account of sin, but the spirit life on account of righteousness.

11 But if the spirit of him that has raised up Jesus from among [the] dead dwell in you, he that has raised up Christ from among [the] dead shall quicken your mortal bodies also on account of his spirit which dwells in you. 12 So then, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live according to flesh; 13 for if ye live according to flesh, ye are about to die; but if, by the spirit, ye put to death the deeds of the body, ye shall live: 14 for as many as are led by [the] spirit of God, *these* are sons of God.

15 For ye have not received a spirit of bondage again for fear, but ye have received a spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16 The spirit itself bears witness with our spirit, that we are children of God. 17 And if children, heirs also: heirs of God, and Christ's joint heirs; if indeed we suffer with [him], that we may also be glorified with [him].

So there is the spirit of God, and there is our spirit. And God's spirit bears witness with our spirit, or it testifies with our spirit.

Its when God's spirit comes upon us that we become sons of God. Jesus said we must be born of water. When Jesus was baptized, God spoke and said, you are my beloved, today I have begotten you.

This is how many of the early Church fathers quoted the words spoken to Jesus at his baptism. They quoted Psalm 2:7.

ESV - Luk 3:22 - and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form, like a dove; and a voice came from heaven, "You are my beloved Son;* with you I am well pleased."*
Footnotes:
* Or my Son, my (or the) Beloved
* Some manuscripts beloved Son; today I have begotten you

So at his baptism Jesus was born of water, and it is then that he began to walk in the spirit, it was then the spirit led him into the wilderness, and it was after his baptism that the devil said, "if" you are the son of God.

So the spirit of God came upon Jesus, and God's spirit testified with Jesus' spirit. And it was through the spirit that Jesus was one with God. He was united to God by the spirit. Jesus was joined to God, being one spirit.

So Jesus was one with God, he said that the Father has not left me alone, because I do always that which pleases him. But on the cross he said, why have you forsaken me? I believe that when the sin of the world was laid upon him, then the spirit of God left him, Jesus becoming separated from God because of our sins. But once he took our sins, he then died, commending his own spirit into the hands of God.

What does the Bible tell us? Jesus was sown a physical body, he was raised a spiritual body.

Pe 3:18 For Christ also suffered/died once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit,

Psa 31:5 Into thine hand I commit my spirit: thou hast redeemed me, O LORD God of truth.

So God redeemed him, or he had obtained eternal redempion. Hbr 9:12 and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.

[JWayne]

Thank you sojourning, I was on the right track, in as it was referring to Christ. So
Adam was merely a reference to the flesh.

[rodger]

What it means is that Jesus, the last Adam was made, or became, a life giving spirit.

Jesus Christ was not made a life giving spirit at conception, He was and is a life giving spirit that all creation came through.He came to return the life giving Spirit(Holy Spirit) which the first Adam lost through deception.One we all died in due to his sin and One who we live in due to His no sin.
Keeping in mind only for those who "repent" and are reconciled by Him and for Him and receive the reconciliation.

Rodger