Lost Tribes

[Nonsequitur]

Originally Posted by richardP

Cute. Real cute

Thanks. My Latin teacher is responsible for that. He told us that after a few years away from his class, that that phrase will be the only one we will remember. Oh well, after the school banned our chariot races and trips to Italy, Latin class became a bore anyway!

[Nonsequitur]

Originally Posted by theophilus

Many people believe that ten of the tribes of Israel have been lost and there have been many theories as to where they are now. But I think the mystery can be easily solved if we will simply look at what the Bible says about the subject.

James 1:1 says that the letter is addressed to "the twelve tribes in the Dispersion."

In Acts 26:7 Paul speaks of the promise "to which our twelve tribes hope to attain."

When Joseph and Mary took Jesus to the temple to present him to the Lord one of the people they met their was Anna, who was of the tribe of Asher, one of the "lost" tribes.

1 Chronicles 9:3 tells of some of the people who returned to the land after the exile. "And some of the people of Judah, Benjamin, Ephraim, and Manassah lived in Jerusalem.

It seems apparent from this that if the ten tribes were ever lost they were found again before the Israelites returned to their land.

The belief that ten tribes were lost arose from the fact that the nation of Israel, made up of these tribes, was conquered by Assyrian and its people scattered thruout their empire. Later Judah was conquered by Babylon and went into exile but was later allowed to return after the Persians conquered Babylon. What people seem to overlook is the fact that the Babylonians conquered all of the land controlled by Assyria and so the Israelites who had been exiled by the Assyrians were all now under Babylonian rule and were allowed to return with the rest of the Israelites.

Sorry Theophilus, didn't mean to belittle your thread. Sorry.
In my research, there have never been "Ten Lost Tribes" of Israel.
There is, however, a couple of Old Testament Tribes that are replaced in the New Testament where it is mentioned of the twelve.

[freeman4]

Because Satan is the great con artist he is and God allowing Satan to do this, Satan has hidden from the majority of the people of the United States the understanding of who we are and who our forefathers were and this will destroy a big portion of the population of our Nation. The sad thing is the Churches in our nation, the Ministers of those Churches, and I have nothing against those Ministers, are leading our people into a “Great Tribulation”. Most of the ministers of today have no clue as to what is going to happen and therefore are not warning the people as to the destruction ahead of our nation and our people or why it is going to happen.
I want reveal to the best of my ability, with God’s Holy Spirit guiding me, to explain what is going to happen and why it is. When I have finished I hope that one can comprehend what is going to happen to not only the United States, but to the other Nation’s as well and why.

We will start our journey in Genesis Ch. 32: verses 24;, thru 30;.Please read it for you self and you will then understand what is being described here.

24; “So Jacob was left alone, and a man wrestled with him till the breaking of day,”
25; “When the man saw that he could not overpower him, he touched the socket of Jacob’s hip so that his hip was wrenched as he wrestled with the man”.
26; “Then the man said, let me go, for it is daybreak.” But Jacob replied, I will not let you go unless you bless me”.
27; “Then the man said, what is your name? Jacob he answered.
28; “Then the man said, your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel, because you have struggled with God and with men and have overcome.”
29; “Jacob said, please tell me your name.” but he replied, why do you ask my name? Then He blessed him there.”
30; “So Jacob call the place penile, saying, it is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared.”

What is described is very important for the United States and the British People to understand. First notice where Jacob had his name changed from Jacob to ISRAEL. But also notice that it was God who changed his name. For in verse 30; you will see where Jacob was wrestling with God and Jacob said he had seen GOD face to face.

Now to continue in this awesome Prophecy we want to go to Genesis Ch 35 verses 10 & 11: Read it for your self.

10; (N.I.V.) “God said to him your name is Jacob, but you will no longer be called Jacob; your name will be Israel. So He named him Israel.”
11: And God said to him I am God almighty; be fruitful and increase in number. A Nation and a community of Nations will come from you, and Kings will come from your body.”
12: “The land I gave to Abraham and Isaac I also give to you, and I will give this land to your descendents after you.

Notice again the name change from Jacob to Israel. Also notice something different. God tells Israel that he ( Israel) would have a nation and a company of Nation’s coming from, or that is coming out of his (Israel’s) future ancestry. So in those scriptures we have another clue of two Specific nations that would ascend from his seed and both would become GREAT.

Now to continue the Prophecy we will go to Genesis Ch 48: Verses 8 through 20: Again read those scriptures for your self so you can understand. The out come of this final revelation will show you who we, the United States have become in these latter days and why it is important for us to understand.

Gen. Ch. 48:

8: (N.I.V.) “WHEN ISRAEL SAW THE SONS OF JOSEPH, HE ASKED, WHO ARE THESE?
9; “THEY ARE THE SONS GOD HAS GIVEN ME HERE, JOSEPH SAID TO HIS FATHER. THEN ISRALE SAID, BRING THEM TO ME SO I MAY BLESS THEM.
10: “NOW, ISRAELS EYES WERE FAILING BECAUSE OF OLD AGE, AND HE COULD HARDLY SEE. SO JOSEPH BROUGHT HIS SON,S CLOSE TO HIM, AND HIS FATHER KISSED THEM AND EMBRACED THEM.”
11: “ISRALE SAID TO JOSEPH, I NEVER EXPECTED TO SEE YOUR FACE AGAIN, AND NOW GOD HAS ALLOWED ME TO SEE YOUR CHILDREN TO.”

12: “THEN JOSEPH REMOVED THEM FROM ISRAELS KNEES AND BOWED DOWN WITH HIS FACE TO THE GROUND.”
13; “ AND JOSEPH TOOK BOTH OF THEM, EPHRAIM ON HIS RIGHT TOWARD ISRAELS LEFT HAND AND MANASSEH ON HIS LEFT TOWARD ISRAELS RIGHT HAND, AND BROUGHT THEM CLOSE TO HIM.”
14: “ BUT ISRAEL REACHED OUT HIS RIGHT HAND AND PUT IT ON EPHRAIMS HEAD, THOUGH HE WAS THE YOUNGER, AND CROSSING HIS ARMS, HE PUT HIS LEFT HAND ON MANASSEH’S HEAD, EVEN THOUGH MANASSEH WAS THE FIRST BORN.”
15; “THEN HE BLESSED JOSEPH AND SAID, MAY THE GOD BEFORE WHOM MY FATHER’S ABRAHAM AND ISACC WALKED, THE GOD WHO HAS BEEN MY SHEPHERD ALL MY LIFE TO THIS DAY.”
16; “THE ANGLE WHO HAVE DELEVERED ME FROM ALL HARM MAY HE BLESS THESE BOYS. MAY THEY BE CALLED BY MY NAME (Israel) AND THE NAMES OF MY FATHERS ABRAHAM AND ISAAC, AND MAY THEY INCREASE GREATLY UPON THE EARTH.”
17; “ WHEN JOSEPH SAW HIS FATHER PLACING HIS RIGHT HAND ON EPHRIAM’S HEAD HE WAS DISPLEASED;SO HE TOOK HOLD OF HIS FATHERS HAND TO MOVE IT FROM EPHRIAM’S HEAD TO MANASSEH’S HEAD.”


18; “JOSEPH SAID TO HIM, NO, MY FATHER, THIS ONE IS THE FIRSTBORN; PUT YOUR RIGHT HAND ON HIS HEAD.”
19; “BUT HIS FATHER REFUSED AND SAID, I KNOW, MY SON, I KNOW. HE TO WILL BECOME GREAT. NONETHELESS, HIS YOUNGER BROTHER WILL BECOME GREATER THANHE, AND HIS DESCENDANTS WILL BE COME A GROUP OF NATIONS.”
20: “ HE BLESSED THEM THAT DAY AND SAID,IN YOUR NAME WILL ISRAEL PRONOUNCE THIS BLESSING: MAY GOD MAKE YOU LIKE EPHRAIM AND MANASSEH.

Notice closely how Joseph was bringing his two Son’s to his father, Israel, for Israel to pronounce Gods blessings on the two lads. Israel was on his death bed for he makes the statement that he did not expect to see his grandson’s before his death. Now notice how, when Israelbegan the blessing of the two grandsons how he put his hands, one on each head of the two boys.

But how he was accomplishing this was not going well with Joseph for you notice how Joseph was correcting his father because of the way the hands were being placed in the blessing ceremony. Notice how Israel was putting his right hand on the younger lad, EPHRIAM, and his left hand on the older lad, MANNASSE. Now, the reason Joseph said something to his father was because the older of the two boys was supposed to be blessed with the right hand. This was done because the older boy was ALWAYS supposed to get the greater or more abundant blessing and the younger boy the blessing with the left hand denoting the lesser blessing. But Israel put his right hand on the younger and the left hand on the older lad. Now the boy’s names were” Ephraim”, the younger and “Manasseh” the older lad.

Notice when Joseph was trying to correct his father, Israel, how Israel told him that he knew what he was doing and that his older son would become a Great Nation, but his younger son would become Greater than his older brother, and would become a great company of Nations. This prophecy has come to pass and as GOD does not LIE. We, the United States have become the main part of that Prophecy.

We, The United States have become Modern Day “Ephraim”, “A Company of Nation’s”. We have living within the borders of the United States just about every Nationality there is on this Earth.

Our older brother, Manasseh, has become a “great single nation” although scattered they continue to be under one flag, the flag of the Queen. That is none other than “Great Britain”.

So as the prophecy has shown and has come to pass, the United States and Great Britain are the most blessed two nation’s on the face of God’s earth today.

But keep in mind how Jacob’s name was changed to Israel. That makes the peoples of the United States, Israelites, not gentiles. A gentile is an unbeliever. Some of the gentile Nation’s are Russia, Japan, China and many more. So we can now begin to understand why God is angry with us as a nation. It is because we are not keeping God’s Laws..

[theophilus]

Originally Posted by freeman4

Our older brother, Manasseh, has become a “great single nation” although scattered they continue to be under one flag, the flag of the Queen. That is none other than “Great Britain”.

So as the prophecy has shown and has come to pass, the United States and Great Britain are the most blessed two nation’s on the face of God’s earth today.

But keep in mind how Jacob’s name was changed to Israel. That makes the peoples of the United States, Israelites, not gentiles. A gentile is an unbeliever. Some of the gentile Nation’s are Russia, Japan, China and many more. So we can now begin to understand why God is angry with us as a nation. It is because we are not keeping God’s Laws..

How can this be possible when it is clear from the Bible that all twelve tribes were included in Israel after it returned from exile? Your post shows one of the many heresies that has resulted from the false belief that ten of the tribes were lost and are not part of modern Israel.

[Nonsequitur]

[QUOTE=freeman4;16094]Because Satan is the great con artist he is and God allowing Satan to do this, Satan has hidden from the majority of the people of the United States the understanding of who we are and who our forefathers were and this will destroy a big portion of the population of our Nation. The sad thing is the Churches in our nation, the Ministers of those Churches, and I have nothing against those Ministers, are leading our people into a “Great Tribulation”. Most of the ministers of today have no clue as to what is going to happen and therefore are not warning the people as to the destruction ahead of our nation and our people or why it is going to happen.
I want reveal to the best of my ability, with God’s Holy Spirit guiding me(I always pray this is the case....but sometimes I wonder), to explain what is going to happen and why it is. When I have finished I hope that one can comprehend what is going to happen to not only the United States, but to the other Nation’s as well and why.(Then you will be the first and only one to prove through Scripture what happens to the U.S.)

We will start our journey in Genesis Ch. 32: verses 24;, thru 30;.Please read it for you self and you will then understand what is being described here.

24; “So Jacob was left alone, and a man wrestled with him till the breaking of day,”
25; “When the man saw that he could not overpower him, he touched the socket of Jacob’s hip so that his hip was wrenched as he wrestled with the man”.
26; “Then the man said, let me go, for it is daybreak.” But Jacob replied, I will not let you go unless you bless me”.
27; “Then the man said, what is your name? Jacob he answered.
28; “Then the man said, your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel, because you have struggled with God and with men and have overcome.”
29; “Jacob said, please tell me your name.” but he replied, why do you ask my name? Then He blessed him there.”
30; “So Jacob call the place penile, saying, it is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared.”

What is described is very important for the United States (How?)and the British People to understand.(And the British?) First notice where Jacob had his name changed from Jacob to ISRAEL. But also notice that it was God who changed his name. For in verse 30; you will see where Jacob was wrestling with God and Jacob said he had seen GOD face to face.

Now to continue in this awesome Prophecy we want to go to Genesis Ch 35 verses 10 & 11: Read it for your self.

10; (N.I.V.) “God said to him your name is Jacob, but you will no longer be called Jacob; your name will be Israel. So He named him Israel.”
11: And God said to him I am God almighty; be fruitful and increase in number. A Nation and a community of Nations will come from you, and Kings will come from your body.”
12: “The land I gave to Abraham and Isaac I also give to you, and I will give this land to your descendents after you.

Notice again the name change from Jacob to Israel. Also notice something different. God tells Israel that he ( Israel) would have a nation and a company of Nation’s coming from, or that is coming out of his (Israel’s) future ancestry. So in those scriptures we have another clue of two Specific nations that would ascend from his seed and both would become GREAT.(Uh, yeah, we do, but it has to do with the Jews and the Arabs in that part of the world. Where you get the U.S. and G.B. is beyond me.)

Now to continue the Prophecy we will go to Genesis Ch 48: Verses 8 through 20: Again read those scriptures for your self so you can understand. The out come of this final revelation will show you who we, the United States have become in these latter days and why it is important for us to understand.(Huh? What?)

Gen. Ch. 48:

8: (N.I.V.) “WHEN ISRAEL SAW THE SONS OF JOSEPH, HE ASKED, WHO ARE THESE?
9; “THEY ARE THE SONS GOD HAS GIVEN ME HERE, JOSEPH SAID TO HIS FATHER. THEN ISRALE SAID, BRING THEM TO ME SO I MAY BLESS THEM.
10: “NOW, ISRAELS EYES WERE FAILING BECAUSE OF OLD AGE, AND HE COULD HARDLY SEE. SO JOSEPH BROUGHT HIS SON,S CLOSE TO HIM, AND HIS FATHER KISSED THEM AND EMBRACED THEM.”
11: “ISRALE SAID TO JOSEPH, I NEVER EXPECTED TO SEE YOUR FACE AGAIN, AND NOW GOD HAS ALLOWED ME TO SEE YOUR CHILDREN TO.”

12: “THEN JOSEPH REMOVED THEM FROM ISRAELS KNEES AND BOWED DOWN WITH HIS FACE TO THE GROUND.”
13; “ AND JOSEPH TOOK BOTH OF THEM, EPHRAIM ON HIS RIGHT TOWARD ISRAELS LEFT HAND AND MANASSEH ON HIS LEFT TOWARD ISRAELS RIGHT HAND, AND BROUGHT THEM CLOSE TO HIM.”
14: “ BUT ISRAEL REACHED OUT HIS RIGHT HAND AND PUT IT ON EPHRAIMS HEAD, THOUGH HE WAS THE YOUNGER, AND CROSSING HIS ARMS, HE PUT HIS LEFT HAND ON MANASSEH’S HEAD, EVEN THOUGH MANASSEH WAS THE FIRST BORN.”
15; “THEN HE BLESSED JOSEPH AND SAID, MAY THE GOD BEFORE WHOM MY FATHER’S ABRAHAM AND ISACC WALKED, THE GOD WHO HAS BEEN MY SHEPHERD ALL MY LIFE TO THIS DAY.”
16; “THE ANGLE WHO HAVE DELEVERED ME FROM ALL HARM MAY HE BLESS THESE BOYS. MAY THEY BE CALLED BY MY NAME (Israel) AND THE NAMES OF MY FATHERS ABRAHAM AND ISAAC, AND MAY THEY INCREASE GREATLY UPON THE EARTH.”
17; “ WHEN JOSEPH SAW HIS FATHER PLACING HIS RIGHT HAND ON EPHRIAM’S HEAD HE WAS DISPLEASED;SO HE TOOK HOLD OF HIS FATHERS HAND TO MOVE IT FROM EPHRIAM’S HEAD TO MANASSEH’S HEAD.”


18; “JOSEPH SAID TO HIM, NO, MY FATHER, THIS ONE IS THE FIRSTBORN; PUT YOUR RIGHT HAND ON HIS HEAD.”
19; “BUT HIS FATHER REFUSED AND SAID, I KNOW, MY SON, I KNOW. HE TO WILL BECOME GREAT. NONETHELESS, HIS YOUNGER BROTHER WILL BECOME GREATER THANHE, AND HIS DESCENDANTS WILL BE COME A GROUP OF NATIONS.”
20: “ HE BLESSED THEM THAT DAY AND SAID,IN YOUR NAME WILL ISRAEL PRONOUNCE THIS BLESSING: MAY GOD MAKE YOU LIKE EPHRAIM AND MANASSEH.

Notice closely how Joseph was bringing his two Son’s to his father, Israel, for Israel to pronounce Gods blessings on the two lads. Israel was on his death bed for he makes the statement that he did not expect to see his grandson’s before his death. Now notice how, when Israelbegan the blessing of the two grandsons how he put his hands, one on each head of the two boys.

But how he was accomplishing this was not going well with Joseph for you notice how Joseph was correcting his father because of the way the hands were being placed in the blessing ceremony. Notice how Israel was putting his right hand on the younger lad, EPHRIAM, and his left hand on the older lad, MANNASSE. Now, the reason Joseph said something to his father was because the older of the two boys was supposed to be blessed with the right hand. This was done because the older boy was ALWAYS supposed to get the greater or more abundant blessing and the younger boy the blessing with the left hand denoting the lesser blessing. But Israel put his right hand on the younger and the left hand on the older lad. Now the boy’s names were” Ephraim”, the younger and “Manasseh” the older lad.

Notice when Joseph was trying to correct his father, Israel, how Israel told him that he knew what he was doing and that his older son would become a Great Nation, but his younger son would become Greater than his older brother, and would become a great company of Nations. (Gee, in this instance, one can say Nazi Germany became greater than regular Germany.)This prophecy has come to pass and as GOD does not LIE. We, the United States have become the main part of that Prophecy. (Sorry, don't buy it....try praying and asking the Holy Spirit to help you understand the Scriptures.)

We, The United States have become Modern Day “Ephraim”, “A Company of Nation’s”. We have living within the borders of the United States just about every Nationality there is on this Earth.(WOW! You maen just like all other great nations of their time?)

Our older brother, Manasseh, has become a “great single nation” although scattered they continue to be under one flag, the flag of the Queen. That is none other than “Great Britain”. (Yeah, right. Guess we need to forget about the majority of Kings.)

So as the prophecy has shown and has come to pass, the United States and Great Britain are the most blessed two nation’s on the face of God’s earth today. (God Bless America and England. I have no problem with asking God to do that.)

But keep in mind how Jacob’s name was changed to Israel. That makes the peoples of the United States, Israelites, not gentiles. A gentile is an unbeliever. Some of the gentile Nation’s are Russia, Japan, China and many more. So we can now begin to understand why God is angry with us as a nation. It is because we are not keeping God’s Laws..(Gee, you almost had me until then. We are not under law. We are under God's Grace. ....Period.)[/QUOTE]

Try going to a Bible-believing church and attend their Bible study classes.
More power to you.

[lasa]

Please explain...
I understand concerning the Mormons... I have talked with them and when they tried to use scripture about the remnant as being them instead of the one to bring Christ, I backed off. Also their old book use to have more racial comments concerning the Native Americans then the one now...they seem to have lightened it up a bit,
But I need to understand...
I know that many within the "house of Israel" was taken captive by Syria and Assyrians...
When did they completely come back?
Also about 200 years later, the "house of Judah" went into captivity within 3 dispensations...?
In either Ezra or Neh. the scripture states that not all returned to Jerusalem...
So when did they all unite?

[Nonsequitur]

Originally Posted by lasa

Please explain...
I understand concerning the Mormons... I have talked with them and when they tried to use scripture about the remnant as being them instead of the one to bring Christ, I backed off. Also their old book use to have more racial comments concerning the Native Americans then the one now...they seem to have lightened it up a bit,
But I need to understand...
I know that many within the "house of Israel" was taken captive by Syria and Assyrians...
When did they completely come back?
Also about 200 years later, the "house of Judah" went into captivity within 3 dispensations...?
In either Ezra or Neh. the scripture states that not all returned to Jerusalem...
So when did they all unite?

Not until the end.
Remember, not are who call themselves Jews will be saved, just as not all who call themselves Christians will be saved.
Only the true believers.

[Sojourning]

Originally Posted by lasa

Please explain...
I understand concerning the Mormons... I have talked with them and when they tried to use scripture about the remnant as being them instead of the one to bring Christ, I backed off. Also their old book use to have more racial comments concerning the Native Americans then the one now...they seem to have lightened it up a bit,
But I need to understand...
I know that many within the "house of Israel" was taken captive by Syria and Assyrians...
When did they completely come back?
Also about 200 years later, the "house of Judah" went into captivity within 3 dispensations...?
In either Ezra or Neh. the scripture states that not all returned to Jerusalem...
So when did they all unite?

All were united in Christ. God said he would make a new covenant with both houses of Israel, Jesus is the mediator of that new covenant. The new covenant is in his blood which he shed. Now all of Israel, plus the Gentiles have access through the one spirit unti the Father.

Who does James write to? Jam 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting. So he is a servant of God, and he is also a servant of the one whom God has made Lord. He is writing to the "twelve" tribes scattered abroad. So scattered is the Greek diaspora.

Peter was the apostle of the circumcision, he also writes to the diaspora. 1Pe 1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers "scattered" throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, Elect according to the foreknowledge of God.

So he is writing to the dispersed, those who are elect according to God's foreknowledge. So he is writing to those who God foreknew. Not Just Jews, but all of Israel. Paul says, Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, [of] the tribe of Benjamin. God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew.

Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

1Pe 1:3 Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

So Peter is saying, blessed be the God of our Lord Jesus, who again has begotten us unto a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus out of death. When God raised Jesus, he then made him firstborn of many brethren. Although he did not come until the last days of Israel, yet he was the one who God had foreordained to be firstborn. Rom 8:29 For those whom he foreknew (meaning Israel) he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he (his son) might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified. So they had been predestined to be conformed, but they could not actually be conformed until he first came into being, lived, laid down his life, and was raised again, thereby by becoming firstborn. And once he came to be firstborn, he then called, justified, and glorified those who had been predestined.

1Pe 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ: Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see [him] not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory: Receiving the end of your faith, [even] the salvation of [your] souls.

1Pe 1:10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace [that should come] unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

1Pe 1:13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation/revealing of Jesus Christ (the risen Christ); As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:

They were born anew through the resurrection, so it is the resurrected Christ that Peter is referring to.

1Pe 1:15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation/behaviour; Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

1Pe 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning [here] in fear:

1Pe 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, [as] silver and gold, from your vain conversation [received] by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained/foreknown before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times (last days of Israel) for you,

So it was in the last days of Israel that Jesus was manifested, he was revealed. It was John the Baptist that made him manifest to Israel, and John said, behold the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. The apostle John in the revelation of Jesus revealed him again and again as the lamb slain, and slain from the foundation of the world. So that was the glory Jesus had with the Father from before the world was, the glory of the lamb slain.

God called Israel his son, but because they did not follow in God's ways he cut them off, but he promised he would receive them again. So it was through Jesus, by the offering of himself, he reconciled the people back to God.

1Pe 1:21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God. Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, [see that ye] love one another with a pure heart fervently: Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. For all flesh [is] as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

So Peter again speaks of them being born again. This time it is not referring to a physical birth, but a spiritual birth. Being born from the word of God.

1Pe 2:2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby: If so be ye have tasted that the Lord [is] gracious. To whom coming, [as unto] a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, [and] precious, Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded. Unto you therefore which believe [he is] precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,

1Pe 2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, [even to them] which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed. But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar/special people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: Which in time past [were] not a people, but [are] now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

So right here we see that Peter is not just writing to Jews, he is writing to the house of Israel, the ten tribes. He is referring back to Hosea, where he says, I will no more have mercy upon the house of Israel; but I will utterly take them away. But I will have mercy upon the house of Judah, and will save them. . .And then he says, it shall come to pass, [that] in the place where it was said unto them, Ye [are] not my people, [there] it shall be said unto them, [Ye are] the sons of the living God. Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, Hsa 2:23 . . .and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say to [them which were] not my people, Thou [art] my people; and they shall say, [Thou art] my God.

So I believe Peter is clearly speaking of the house of Israel, the ten tribes. They along with Judah have access unto God through the offering of the lamb slain.

1Pe 2:11 Dearly beloved, I beseech [you] as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul; Having your conversation (way of living) honest among the Gentiles:

Rom 9:2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart. For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: Who are Israelites; to whom [pertaineth] the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service [of God], and the promises; Whose [are] the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ [came], who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they [are] not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, [are they] all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these [are] not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Rom 9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared (made ready befirehand) unto glory, Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

This says Gentiles, but we can tell by the context that Paul is not referring to actual Gentiles, but instead, those Israelites who had been dispersed out among the Gentiles. Like in John 7:35, Then said the Jews among themselves, Whither will he go, that we shall not find him? will he go unto the dispersed (scattered/diaspora) among the Gentiles, and teach the Gentiles? So here again, they are using the word Gentile, but speaking of those Israelites who had been scattered among the Gentiles.

Paul goes on to use the same scripture from Hosea that Peter used, which is not referring to Gentiles, but to the house of Israel of whom God said in Hosea, I will utterly take them away.

Rom 9:25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved. And it shall come to pass, [that] in the place where it was said unto them, Ye [are] not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.

Rom 9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved: For he will finish the work, and cut [it] short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.

So the message went out to all Israel, first by Jesus himself to the house of Judah, he then, by the apostles went to the diaspora.

Rom 10:1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

Rom 10:16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? So then faith [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world. But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to emulation by [them that are] no people, [and] by a foolish nation I will anger you. But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me. But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.

[lasa]

Thank you both for the info and your time. I will now take time to study this. I have a heavy spiritual appetite and sometimes try to bite off more than I can chew!

I do not have my Bible or other references handy...so what I am about to say is just from memory and not meant to be read as fact.
I kept thinking that God promised Abraham that he would be the father of many nations. I haven't looked up the meaning of nations to see... I guess I had taken this as Him scattering them and nations formed. I know that many of His children became spiritually lost and therefore were scattered. But God promised to bring them back... spiritually and physically. If my thinking in that He scattered them to make nations and many had strayed so far from the truth... after many generations, they didn't know who they were. We don't either, only God.
Is this thought non-scriptural?

[theophilus]

Originally Posted by lasa

But I need to understand...
I know that many within the "house of Israel" was taken captive by Syria and Assyrians...
When did they completely come back?
Also about 200 years later, the "house of Judah" went into captivity within 3 dispensations...?
In either Ezra or Neh. the scripture states that not all returned to Jerusalem...
So when did they all unite?

Not all of the Jews returned to their homeland when Cyrus gave them permission to do so, just as not all Jews have returned to modern Israel. But according to 1 Chronicles 9:3 those who returned included people from both Judah and Israel, since it says that people from Judah, Benjamin, Ephraim, and Manassah lived in Jerusalem. In Luke 2, a woman named Anna is mentioned who was of the tribe of Asher. There were membes of all twelve tribes among those who returned and among the present day Jews so none of the tribes has been lost. But it is likely that there are many Jewish individuals who are living among the Gentiles who are unaware of their Jewish identity, so in that sense part of the nation of Israel is still lost.