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>>>It all boils down to the question of who`s truth you are speaking. Is it your truth,Another man`s truth,Or is it truth you have received through the Holy Spirit. The only real truth is the truth that we receive through the Holy Spirit. I can speak truth or you can speak truth but if someone else receives truth they receive it through the discernment of the Holy Spirit. I cannot impart truth to anyone unless God chooses to impart truth through me. The Holy Spirit is the ones who guides into truth. <<<

Need I add anything else.
But we still have the same problem. The wacko's can say the same thing. Now if we could call down fire as Elijah there would be no contention about who was right. "Sigh" AAHHhh for the good ole days to come back.

One time in college I kept seeing this other student in the hallway between classes. My spirit was extremely attracted to her in a spiritual way. I didn't know anything about her, zero, zip, but our eye would always meet in the hallway. I finally spoke to her and told her my spirit was extremely attracted to her and she said she felt the same way. She said "Are you on fire for God?" and I said yes. I then pointed to another student in the hallway and asked her what do you feel about him. I'll never forget her answer. She said "My spirit abhors him". I said so does mine and asked her if she knew who he was and she said no. I told her he was the leader of the College Christian Coalition and that it was the common consensus of the members he was demon possessed.
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(1John 2:2 [KJV])
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for [the sins of] the whole world.
Is PART of the message of the Gospel that Jesus was the Lamb of God who took away the SIN of the entire (whole) world?
How can we change this verse to mean Jesus did not die for the whole world? Can we corrupt the meaning of this verse for the sake of our doctrine? Or do we just believe it for what it says and sacrifice our doctrine on the alter of truth that the real message of Jesus should be preached?
I had to ask myself the same questions when I read these verses. If I BELIEVE these verses are INSPIRED by God how can I preach something different? This is a legitimate question and one that shakes faith in what a person has believed all their life , namely that Jesus did not make a payment for the sins of the whole world. If Jesus only paid for the sins of those who have faith in Him then what do we do with this verse? Is this verse being incorrectly understood???
HHHMMmmm? HHHMMmmm? And HHHMMMmmmmmm? Questions Questions Questions I'm only asking questions?
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(1John 2:2 [KJV])


And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for [the sins of] the whole world.


Is PART of the message of the Gospel that Jesus was the Lamb of God who took away the SIN of the entire (whole) world?

How can we change this verse to mean Jesus did not die for the whole world? Can we corrupt the meaning of this verse for the sake of our doctrine? Or do we just believe it for what it says and sacrifice our doctrine on the alter of truth that the real message of Jesus should be preached?
I had to ask myself the same questions when I read these verses. If I BELIEVE these verses are INSPIRED by God how can I preach something different? This is a legitimate question and one that shakes faith in what a person has believed all their life , namely that Jesus did not make a payment for the sins of the whole world. If Jesus only paid for the sins of those who have faith in Him then what do we do with this verse? Is this verse being incorrectly understood???
HHHMMmmm? HHHMMmmm? And HHHMMMmmmmmm? Questions Questions Questions I'm only asking questions?
It`s a mystery with a very simple answer. Not faith shaking at all. Faith is all about trusting God and His word whether we understand it or not. The Bible tells us that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us and Christ Himself said that He did not come to save the righteous.

By His death the world is reconciled to God. All the sin of the world is paid for. Christ was capable of no less. He came to destroy the works of the devil the Bible tells us.

However not everyone accepts the provision for sins given through the blood of Christ. That is why the Bible tells us that the condemnation is in believing not. And feel free to bash me for not quoting any Bible verses.
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It`s a mystery with a very simple answer. Not faith shaking at all. Faith is all about trusting God and His word whether we understand it or not. The Bible tells us that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us and Christ Himself said that He did not come to save the righteous.

By His death the world is reconciled to God. All the sin of the world is paid for. Christ was capable of no less. He came to destroy the works of the devil the Bible tells us.

However not everyone accepts the provision for sins given through the blood of Christ. That is why the Bible tells us that the condemnation is in believing not. And feel free to bash me for not quoting any Bible verses.
Well said! So I won't bash you with a stick, just poke you with one.
However I'm seeing something slightly different and it hinges on "accepts the provision". In stead I see "Rejects the provision" which was given as a free gift. All men have been forgiven but not all want it. In this way I can see God reconciling all mankind to Himself with no exceptions. This is how babies who die and the mentally retarded are delivered from the wages of sin. There is no faith on their part just the grace, gift of God. This is the Good News. To me it is getting people to not reject God's Love and stop walking down the wide path of destruction. The Good News is that there Father is waiting for them to return from the pig pen, back to their home with Him. Until I looked at the Good News this way the story of the Prodigal Son never made sense. The son was always a son in the eyes of the Father who forgave him before he even left the house. The son could stay in the pig pen and die in his sin (the sin of rejecting his fathers love) or return (Repent) and experience the forgiveness which was already granted unto him.
Now you can poke me back because I haven't quoted anything either.
Didn't your mother ever tell you not play with sticks "you'll put someones eye out".
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Well said! So I won't bash you with a stick, just poke you with one.
However I'm seeing something slightly different and it hinges on "accepts the provision". In stead I see "Rejects the provision" which was given as a free gift. All men have been forgiven but not all want it. In this way I can see God reconciling all mankind to Himself with no exceptions. This is how babies who die and the mentally retarded are delivered from the wages of sin. There is no faith on their part just the grace, gift of God. This is the Good News. To me it is getting people to not reject God's Love and stop walking down the wide path of destruction. The Good News is that there Father is waiting for them to return from the pig pen, back to their home with Him. Until I looked at the Good News this way the story of the Prodigal Son never made sense. The son was always a son in the eyes of the Father who forgave him before he even left the house. The son could stay in the pig pen and die in his sin (the sin of rejecting his fathers love) or return (Repent) and experience the forgiveness which was already granted unto him.
Now you can poke me back because I haven't quoted anything either.
Didn't your mother ever tell you not play with sticks "you'll put someones eye out".

When people hear the Good News of Jesus Christ they must accept Him or reject Him. It`s all the same difference if we get technical but both aspects should be presented in order to be fully biblical about it. I prefer to throw stones rather then poke with sticks
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When people hear the Good News of Jesus Christ they must accept Him or reject Him. It`s all the same difference if we get technical but both aspects should be presented in order to be fully biblical about it. I prefer to throw stones rather then poke with sticks
Well then let me bonk you with this stone. Remember I said that Salvation covers two areas Physical and Spiritual. Receiving Jesus has nothing to do with the Spiritual part of Salvation but the Physical part. To receive Jesus as Messiah is to enter into the deliverance from the evils of Life not the consiquence of sin. This is where I feel the church has blended the two into one and blurred the message of the Gospel. I will present more scripture stones later.
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What's all this stick poking and rock throwing? Do I have to separate you boys? Play nice now!
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[quote=Russell;541]Well then let me bonk you with this stone. Remember I said that Salvation covers two areas Physical and Spiritual. Receiving Jesus has nothing to do with the Spiritual part of Salvation but the Physical part. To receive Jesus as Messiah is to enter into the deliverance from the evils of Life not the consiquence of sin. This is where I feel the church has blended the two into one and blurred the message of the Gospel. I will present more scripture stones later.



You will have to present a first scripture stone before you are able to present the more scripture stones
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What's all this stick poking and rock throwing? Do I have to separate you boys? [IMG]file:///E:/angel%20up.gif[/IMG]Play nice now!


Who Rick and I? Were Angels!



Well not all the time!

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Well then let me bonk you with this stone. Remember I said that Salvation covers two areas Physical and Spiritual. Receiving Jesus has nothing to do with the Spiritual part of Salvation but the Physical part. To receive Jesus as Messiah is to enter into the deliverance from the evils of Life not the consiquence of sin. This is where I feel the church has blended the two into one and blurred the message of the Gospel. I will present more scripture stones later.



You will have to present a first scripture stone before you are able to present the more scripture stones

I'm looking for them!
I may have one or two in my pocket some where.
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