[quote=Rick;545]Sorry for the lull in time. No! I haven't died but it feels like it. Things have been rough between health and work.

I'll gearing up to throw stones again.
(Styrofoam stones and padded sticks in our case if anyone is wondering).

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Howdy Russell. It`s good to hear from you again. One of these days (I`m still trying to get the worldly deeds completed.) but sometime we should talk on the phone. I`d like to meet Charles on the phone to. That would be fun.

I would truly like that!

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Healing those hurt by the church

What does the word “all ” mean? We use it to mean “ everything “. If I ask somebody to hand me “ ALL” the donuts, do they just give me one or two or hand over the entire plate or box? We understand “All” to mean just that, “Everything” and nothing less. Then why do we change the meaning when it comes to scripture. “All” Doesn’t mean “All “ any more but “Some”.
Don’t know what I’m speaking about? Let’s give it a try.
(John 1:3 [KJV])
ALL things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made.
(Good start! That seems like everything.)
(John 1:7 [KJV])
The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that ALL[men] through him might believe.
(So the invitation is open to all. Very good!)
(John 3:35 [KJV])
The Father loveth the Son, and hath given ALL things into his hand.
(Yep! He's running all of the show.)
(John 2:24 [KJV])
But Jesus did not commit himself unto them, because he knew ALL[men] ,
(He knew the heart of men, not some men but “All” men. OK! So far!)
(John 12:32 [KJV])
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw ALL[men] unto me.
(Whooa! Hold the horses Bobalouie! It can’t mean “ ALL” can it?)
(John 1:9 [KJV])
[ That] was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
(Lighteth “Every” man or all men who are born into the world? Heresy ! Or is it? The scripture cannot lie because it is inspired of God and in Him is no lie or deception. So why don’t we believe that “All” means “All”? Should we just ignore the scripture and say it really doesn’t mean “All” ? HHMMMmmm?
(Rom 5:18 [KJV])
Therefore as by the offence of one [judgment came] upon ALL men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one [the free gift came] upon ALL men unto justification of life.
(That’s really Clear or can we twist it to mean something else?)
(Rom 5:19 [KJV])
For as by one man's disobedience many (ALL ) were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many (ALL ) be made righteous.
(Rom 11:15 [KJV])
For if the casting away of them (The Jews) [be] the reconciling of (ALL ) the world, what [shall] the receiving [of them (The Jews) be] , but life from the dead?
(2Cor 5:19 [KJV])
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their (The World of men) trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
(Not imputing who’s trespasses? The proceeding object is the “World” within the verse. This is really Good News! God HAS (not will) reconciled all men unto Himself in Jesus Christ by the forgiveness of sin and we are to tell men this message.)
(John 1:29 [KJV])
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
(Would that only be some of the world or all of the world?)
(1John 2:2 [KJV])
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for [the sins of] the “Whole world or All the world”.
Oops ! The cats out of the bag now!

Once again don't assume you think you know what I believe. If you think I'm promoting "Universal Salvation" your wrong. Broad is the way that leads to destruction and many are on the road.

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Well, gentlemen. I would have to say that I agree with most of what you say. As far as the elite group is concerned, that concept makes me sick. You cannot inspire change if you cannot inspire hope. And we all agree that the world does need to change, right?
"And now these three remain: Faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love." We have faith that what God says is true. We have hope that his plan includes us. But, the greatest is that we have God's perfect love and perfect love casts out fear. There is no special group of people who are better than others. "All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." But!!! Christ says that he is the way, the truth, and the life and no one gets to the father but through him. If you seek truth, ask God for it. Ask and you shall receive. Abide in his word and you will have truth. A shepherd speaks and his sheep know his voice. Although one of you struck up an interesting thought. There is my truth, man's truth, and God's truth. The only real truth is that which comes from Christ. We reach Christ through the Holy Spirit and he reaches others through us with the Holy Spirit. My words may be God's truth but without the Holy Spirit, they mean nothing. "If I speak in tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal."

I would love to hear more detail of your thoughts on this. I've never heard it put this way before and I'm intrigued.

There is not one thing I disagree with in your statement. Nothing you have said is outside the realm of how I perceive the Gospel. My view has basically rearranged the order of the components found in the Gospel and shown the light on other components that have been ignored.

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Where do you want to start?

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Explain how that everyone is saved.

The word "Saved" as defined gives the wrong impression IE. I have my sin forgiven and am now "Saved". Even though this view doesn't line up with anything spoken in scripture.

"Reconciliation" is a word better word."

First we need to define what is “Saved” and what it is not.
(Matt 19:16-25 [KJV])
And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? (Be Saved)
And he said unto him, …. but if thou wilt enter into life (Eternal Life {IE. Life that begins now and is Unending Abundance and fullness of Life physically, mentally, and Spiritually }), keep the commandments.
He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, honour thy father and [thy] mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go [and] sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come [and] follow me, But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
When his disciples heard [it], they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? (Eternal Life {IE. Unending Abundance and fullness of Life})
Remember Salvation is in two parts Physical and Spiritual. The rich young ruler was not asking about “Spiritual Salvation” but “Physical Salvation” and Jesus’ answer was a “Physical Salvation” answer. It was a physical answer because the “Mystery” of the “Spiritual” had not been revealed yet, but Jesus gives a hint by offering the young man to follow Him.
The idea of “Now that I have Jesus, I’m saved” does not even come into the conversation. The rich young ruler never entered into the “Spiritual” (Kingdom of Heaven) part of fullness of life because he was dependent on his riches and not God to satisfy his life. This is why Jesus said “a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven”. The rich young ruler could not see the Kingdom of God because he needed to have a new spiritual and not a physical mind set (spiritual mind “Born Again” another misconception) which not even Peter had achieved as of yet.
When you read through the Gospels pay attention to “Life and Saved” within their context and you will see they are not the same idea that we were taught. All I'm trying to do is stay consistent with definitions from the mouth of Jesus over into the Epistles.The idea of Salvation, changes from the Gospels to the Epistles as so many other teachings of Jesus and that shouldn't be happening.
(I have not forgot the question but in order to answer I need to define “Saved” as I have studied it. As I have said these are my thoughts and not a point of argument as to who is right or wrong. At this point of my life I don't care who's right or wrong, all I know is what I have witnessed and am sharing it with others.)
But just in case Take that! and That! and That!

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Acts 28:31 KJV) "Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ," with all confidence, ....

Healing those hurt by the church