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View Poll Results: Do you find contradictions in your faith because of church teachings?
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Questions? Questions?

Do you have unanswered questions because of the teachings of your church? Many church teachings cause confusion because they are contradictory to scripture, what are you confused about?
Please post one for us to disscuss. Let's let God give us the answers to these questions.
You yourself can find the answers and I can prove it. I don't need to tell you what to believe. That is what the Holy Spirit is for.



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I am so thankful you used the springy thingie so now I know jumping up and down replaces the bible.
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Ps. That was a joke.
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I am so thankful you used the springy thingie so now I know jumping up and down replaces the bible.
It depends on what church you belong to! Some people would be better off just jumping up and down because it shows a simplisity of a child like faith.
Jesus must have used the springie thing because He condemed the Pharasees for thinking the bible was the answer.
(John 5:39 [KJV])
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
(John 5:39 [RNT])
You search the Scriptures because you think that you have in them life eternal, and it is they that testify of me,
(John 5:39 [Roth])
Ye search the Scriptures, because, ye, think, by them, to have, life age-abiding; and, those , are they which bear witness concerning me:
(John 5:39 [WMTH])
»You search the Scriptures, because you suppose that in them you will find the Life of the Ages; and it is those Scriptures that yield testimony concerning me;«

The bible is never the answer. It only testifies of the answer.


This picture is not the answer either.
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Ps. That was a joke.
I Know! But it is extremly sad to me when people replace God with the bible. The bible has become a thing of idolatry. People don't realize they are worshipping the bible instead of God. I see no difference between the Pharisees then and many so called christians today.
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It depends on what church you belong to! Some people would be better off just jumping up and down because it shows a simplisity of a child like faith.
Jesus must have used the springie thing because He condemed the Pharasees for thinking the bible was the answer.
(John 5:39 [KJV])
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
(John 5:39 [RNT])
You search the Scriptures because you think that you have in them life eternal, and it is they that testify of me,
(John 5:39 [Roth])
Ye search the Scriptures, because, ye, think, by them, to have, life age-abiding; and, those , are they which bear witness concerning me:
(John 5:39 [WMTH])
»You search the Scriptures, because you suppose that in them you will find the Life of the Ages; and it is those Scriptures that yield testimony concerning me;«

The bible is never the answer. It only testifies of the answer.
Jesus did not say the scriptures were of no use, he told them to search the scriptures.

I prefer the bible's teachings over those of another man's spirit anyday...

context helps too...

john 5:And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
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Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
40

And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
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Jesus did not say the scriptures were of no use, he told them to search the scriptures.

I prefer the bible's teachings over those of another man's spirit anyday...

context helps too...

john 5:And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
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Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
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And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
The verses I quoted were in context. The Pharisees thought the bible was more important than what it testified about. Jesus was condeming then for using the scripture in a way it was not meant to be used. And thus the scripture were of no use to them and did not produce life in them. Replacing God with the gink (god of ink) will not produce life. This has nothing to do with the spirit of another man but the Holy Spirit of God who uses the scripture in a proper way to produce life. Life is not found in the scripture as Jesus stated.
Yes! The Messiah of God, whom I tend to believe rather than a man, said the scriptures did not contain life.
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The verses I quoted were in context.
Context of what? They were the same one over and over. That is not context.

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And thus the scripture were of no use to them and did not produce life in them. Replacing God with the gink (god of ink) will not produce life. This has nothing to do with the spirit of another man but the Holy Spirit of God who uses the scripture in a proper way to produce life. Life is not found in the scripture as Jesus stated.


Perhaps, but where did He state this? Certainly not in the verse you offered.

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Yes! The Messiah of God, whom I tend to believe rather than a man, said the scriptures did not contain life.


Really? I do believe i would drop that phoney and cling to the real one then...Here is what He said..

John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

So if one's life and spirit comes from any source other than the words Jesus spoke, they are prolly under the influence on the wrong one.

Now tell us how you know His words, Roger. Did you get them outside of the bible?
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First I'm not Rodger.
John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Please try to understand what I'm saying. Let's not argue.
Please Pay attention to the verse. The Words He speaks are life! They just happen to be recorded from the past in the bible. It is His Words and Spirit that bring Life which should not be confused with the bible which is merely a record of the past record. These recorded words are used by the Holy Spirit to SPEAK His Words to you a fresh (Present Tense) and directly from His mouth to you. The Word of God is A Live, which mean they are always being spoken a fresh (Present Tense) to those who have ears to hear.
Many people treat the bible as a replacement for God. That's my point! They think that if they quote it long and hard enough something magical will happen. (Witchcraft in short) However, hearing God speak and then repeating what He has said is speaking the Word of God, quoting from the bible is quoting scripture (the inspired record).
Thus to believe the bible has life; just like the Pharisees believed; is false because Life is Only found in God and the Words He speaks in present tense to us.
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Context of what? They were the same one over and over. That is not context.



Perhaps, but where did He state this? Certainly not in the verse you offered.

Show us.



Really? I do believe i would drop that phoney and cling to the real one then...Here is what He said..

John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

So if one's life and spirit comes from any source other than the words Jesus spoke, they are prolly under the influence on the wrong one.

Now tell us how you know His words, Roger. Did you get them outside of the bible?
But when we read the Bible, are we to read it with our own understanding? No! Scripture must be revealed to us, we must be given the understanding. Scripture did not come by private interpretation, it was revealed to those who spoke the word, they were not speaking from their own. Neither is the understanding of what they spoke by any private interpretaion, the same one who revealed the word to them, must reveal to us the understanding.

Jhn 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice (for God was speaking in Jesus) at any time, nor seen his shape. Probably more like seen his appearance, or they had not realized the Father in the son. Later Jesus would say, if you have seen me, you have seen the Father. Jesus was the express image of God, the visible appearing of him who is invisible, to see Jesus was to see God. This is not speaking literally, Jesus was not God literally, but God was fully revealing himself in Jesus, Jesus was making God manifest to the people by being the perfect representation.

Jhn 5:38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not. So they had the written law, just like we have the written Bible, but they did not have the word of God abiding in them, just like we really don't have the true word of God abiding in us. If we did, then we, like Jesus, would "know".

Jhn 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
So if they had truly understood the scriptures, then they would have received Jesus, for it is of him that the scriptures testify, and yet, they did not know him, just as we do not really know him.

Jhn 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

Jhn 5:41 I receive not honour from men. 42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you. 43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. 44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?

Are Christians that much different than the Jews?

Jhn 5:45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is [one] that accuseth you, [even] Moses, in whom ye trust. Because Moses wrote of Jesus, yet they did not understand.

Act 13:27 For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him. 28 And though they found no cause of death in him, yet desired they Pilate that he should be slain. 29 And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulchre.
Act 13:30 But God raised him from the dead:

They read Moses and the prophets, every Sabbath, but they didn't really hear what was read, and if they could not hear Moses and the prophets, then neither would they hear one who rose from the dead.
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